Effect of magnetic field on radio waves

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of magnetic fields on radio waves, specifically in the context of classical electromagnetism and quantum electrodynamics (QED). Participants explore whether magnetic fields influence radio signals such as cell phone and wireless broadband communications.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that within classical electromagnetism, electromagnetic fields do not self-interact, implying that magnetic fields do not affect radio waves.
  • Another participant mentions that in QED, electromagnetic fields can become self-interacting, but argues that this effect is negligible for practical applications involving radio waves.
  • A different viewpoint states that there is an infinitesimally small QED effect that is undetectable with radio waves and magnets.
  • Some participants express concern that introducing complex quantum mechanical explanations may confuse the original question, which pertains to classical physics.
  • There is a call for responses to remain relevant to the context of the question, emphasizing the importance of clarity and simplicity in explanations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views on the relevance of QED effects versus classical explanations, with some arguing for simplicity while others advocate for a more thorough scientific explanation.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the distinction between classical and quantum mechanical perspectives, noting that the original question pertains to classical physics. There is also mention of the complexity of QED effects and their practical irrelevance in the context of radio waves.

ASHUPLC393
Messages
1
Reaction score
0
Hello all

I have been trying for sometime now to find the effects that magnetic field has on radio waves (such as cell phone signals and wireless broadband signals). If anyone of you could guide me towards right direction, would be very much appreciated!

Thanks

Ashutosh
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Within the classical theory of electromagnetism electromagnetic fields are not self-interacting, i.e., nothing happens to your radio wave, whether or not other electromagnetic fields are present.

In QED due to quantum effects the em. field becomes self-interacting, but this effect can be neglected for practical purposes with radio waves.
 
Easy. No effect.
 
really even in QED it self interacts?
 
Sure, that's the four-photon vertex. In leading order it's a box diagram with four external photon legs and electron-positron lines running around the box. It's a fourth-order effect inperturbation theory, i.e., of order \alpha^2 in the cross section. This is also known as the "Delbrück-scattering diagrams".
 
Let's get real here. Yes, there is an infinitesmally small QED effect. One that is absolutely undetectable with radio waves and magnets.

This is one thing I am growing to dislike about this forum. Someone asks a simple question with a simple answer, and a bunch of people confuse the OP with technically correct and utterly irrelevant complications. Needlessly complicating a problem does not make one look smart.
 
I emphasized already in my first reply that the QED corrections are negligible for all practical purposes. Nevertheless I think it's good to answer questions correctly according to our present knowledge of physics.
 
I disagree - he posted in Classical Physics, so a quantum mechanical answer is unlikely to be helpful. When someone wants to discuss balls and inclined planes in this section, do we insist on quantum mechanics? Furthermore, he gave explicit examples of macroscopic objects.

It does people no good to confuse them with overly complex answers that are not relevant to the information requested. Like I said, the goal is to make something complicated simple, not something simple complicated.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 42 ·
2
Replies
42
Views
4K
  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
7K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
20K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
1K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K