How is effective distance calculated for charges in a dielectric medium?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of effective distance between two charges in a dielectric medium. The effective distance in vacuum is calculated by adding the actual distance and the equivalent of the slab's thickness in vacuum, which is t√k. This technique can be used to solve similar problems.
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I now know what is effective distance
Suppose you have two charges embedded in a dielectric medium with constant k (so instead of empty space there's a "sea" of dielectric media around them). They are separated by a distance d in the medium, so that Coulomb's law would be:
##F##=##\frac{1}{k 4 \pi ε_o}####\frac{q_1 q_2}{d^2}##

Now we want to know what the effective distance would be in empty space to produce the same force. So:

##\frac{1}{k~4 \pi ε_o}## ##\frac{q_1 q_2}{d^2}## = ##\frac{1}{4 \pi ε_o} \frac{q_1 q_2}{d_{eff}^2}##

which reduces to

##k~d^2## = ##d_{eff}^2##

If we look at the image I have given link of how the net distance between the charges has been calculated there?
 
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Let's assume the charges q1 and q2 are in free space and the slab inserted has a dielectric constant k. If the slab weren't there, the net distance between the charges would be Dnet=r. If ,instead of free space, the charges were in this material with dielectric constant k and thickness t, the effective distance between them in vacuum would be t√k. But here, both free space and that material are present. So, net distance between the charges(in vacuum)=
actual distance in vacuum+equivalent of the thickness of the slab in vacuum.
Hence,Dnet=(r-t)+t√k
where r-t is the actual distance in vacuum and t√k is the equivalent of the slab's thickness in vacuum.
This is as per my understanding.
 
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cnh1995 said:
If ,instead of free space, the charges were in this material with dielectric constant k and thickness t
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I don't think he means the second situation.
It is the same as in your problem. Some of the space between the two charges is empty, some is filled with dielectric.
The distance through the empty space is (r-t), the distance through dielectric is t. These are geometric distances.
In order to find effective distances you multiply each by the square of the dielectric constants: 1 for the empty part and √k for the dielectric part.
Then you just add them to get total effective distance.
 
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nasu said:
In order to find effective distances you multiply each by the square of the dielectric constants
Why?Is this a technique to solve such questions?
 
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Here, let the force between the charges be F. To have the same force F in vacuum, the distance between the charges must be t√k in vacuum. Hence, t√k is the equivalent of slab's thickness in vacuum. So, in general, if there are some more media in between the charges, equivalent of their thickness in vacuum should be added to the 'actual'(or you can say 'effective', since k=1) distance in vacuum.
gracy said:
Is this a technique to solve such questions?
I think so. You can try a number of problems and verify.
 
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nasu said:
In order to find effective distances you multiply each by the square of the dielectric constants:
Did you mean square root of the dielectric constants
 
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Yes, square root. Sorry. :smile:
 

Related to How is effective distance calculated for charges in a dielectric medium?

1. What is effective distance in vacuum?

Effective distance in vacuum refers to the distance between two objects in a vacuum that affects the strength of their interaction. It is a measure of the strength of the force between two objects and is influenced by factors such as mass, electric charge, and magnetic properties.

2. How is effective distance in vacuum different from regular distance?

Effective distance in vacuum differs from regular distance because it takes into account the absence of any medium or material between two objects. In a vacuum, there is no air or other molecules to impede the interaction between objects, so the effective distance can be longer than the regular distance.

3. Why is effective distance in vacuum important in scientific research?

Effective distance in vacuum is important in scientific research because it allows scientists to understand and predict the strength of interactions between objects in a vacuum. This is crucial for fields such as astrophysics, where objects in space may be separated by vast distances and their interactions are affected by the absence of a medium.

4. How is effective distance in vacuum calculated?

Effective distance in vacuum is typically calculated using mathematical equations that take into account the properties of the objects involved, such as mass, electric charge, and magnetic properties. These equations allow scientists to determine the strength of the force between two objects and how it changes with distance.

5. Can the effective distance in vacuum be altered or manipulated?

The effective distance in vacuum is determined by the properties of the objects involved and cannot be altered or manipulated. However, scientists can change the strength of the force between objects in a vacuum by altering their properties, such as by adding or removing electric charge or changing their mass.

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