Calculating the charge of two concentric conductive spheres

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The discussion revolves around calculating the charge of two concentric conductive spheres, focusing on the potential at specific radii and the implications of charge distribution on the surfaces of the spheres.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the voltage is calculated at ##r=2a## instead of ##r=3a##, questioning the necessity of using the condition that an electrostatic conductor has the same potential throughout.
  • Some participants point out the importance of considering the charge on the inner surface of the outer shell, suggesting that this may affect the calculations.
  • There is a discussion about deriving equations from the potentials and the relationships between the charges on the different surfaces of the spheres.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the charge distribution and the equations derived from the potentials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to account for the charge on the inner surface of the outer shell, which has led to a reevaluation of the equations involved.

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There is an indication that the problem may involve multiple equations and relationships between the charges, but the exact nature of these relationships and their implications remains under discussion.

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The solution to this problem is B, and I was able to get the answer by calculating the total potential at ##r = 2a##, however, what I don't seem to understand is why must the voltage be calculated at ##r=2a## but not ##r=3a##.

Homework Equations


##V(r) = - \int_a^b E(r) dr##
##V(r) = \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \frac Q r##

The Attempt at a Solution


For solving the problem at ##r=2a##, I used the voltages at ##r=a## and ##r=b##
##V(a) = \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0 } (\frac {Q_1} {a} + \frac {Q_2} {3a}) = 0## where ##Q_1## is the inner charge and ##Q_2## is the outer charge.
##V(2a) = \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0 } (\frac {Q_1} {2a} + \frac {Q_2} {3a}) = \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \frac Q {3a} ##
By simple algebra I was able to solve for ##Q_1## and it was B, however, the condition given was ##V(3a) = \frac 1 {4 \pi \epsilon_0 } \frac Q {3a} ##. why do I have to use the argument that an electrostatic conductor have the same potential throughout to work out the potential ##V(2a)## but not directly solve for ##Q_1## at ##r=3a##?
 

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You seem to be ignoring any charge on the inner surface of the outer shell.
 
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haruspex said:
You seem to be ignoring any charge on the inner surface of the outer shell.
Oh right yes. Thanks for the tip. Now I get it. It's actually three equations instead of two.
Here's my solution:
By writing out the potentials and cancelling out the constants, I got the following three equations:
##q_1 + \frac 1 2 q_2 + \frac 1 3 q_3 = 0##
##\frac 1 2 q_1 + \frac 1 2 q_2 + \frac 1 3 q_3 = \frac 1 3 Q##
##\frac 1 3 q_1 + \frac 1 3 q_2 + \frac 1 3 q_3 = \frac 1 3 Q##
By solving this simultaneous equation I got
##q_1 = - \frac 2 3 Q, q_2 = \frac 2 3 Q, q_3 = Q##
##q_1## is the inner most shell, ##q_2## is the inner surface of the outer shell, ##q_3## is the outer surface of the outer shell.
 
Miles123K said:
Oh right yes. Thanks for the tip. Now I get it. It's actually three equations instead of two.
Here's my solution:
By writing out the potentials and cancelling out the constants, I got the following three equations:
##q_1 + \frac 1 2 q_2 + \frac 1 3 q_3 = 0##
##\frac 1 2 q_1 + \frac 1 2 q_2 + \frac 1 3 q_3 = \frac 1 3 Q##
##\frac 1 3 q_1 + \frac 1 3 q_2 + \frac 1 3 q_3 = \frac 1 3 Q##
By solving this simultaneous equation I got
##q_1 = - \frac 2 3 Q, q_2 = \frac 2 3 Q, q_3 = Q##
##q_1## is the inner most shell, ##q_2## is the inner surface of the outer shell, ##q_3## is the outer surface of the outer shell.
Looks right.
 

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