B Effects of Cooling and Heating in a Cloud Chamber

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Cooling is applied at the bottom of the cloud chamber to maintain a stable temperature gradient, allowing vapor to condense effectively on the cold surface. Heating at the top ensures that the vapor rises, creating a supersaturated environment that enhances particle visibility. If the cold plate were placed at the top, it could potentially increase the supersaturated region, but convection currents might distort the tracks produced. The discussion emphasizes the importance of minimizing disturbances in the supersaturated region to preserve particle tracks. An experimental setup is suggested to test these theories and confirm the effects of temperature placement on track visibility.
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Good day everybody!
As we have already known the structure and operation of the cloud chamber, can someone explain to me why the cooling is done at the bottom of the chamber and the heating at the top, but not vise versa?? How this affect the function of the cloud chamber?
 
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Maybe because they want to reduce the heat flux from the hot side to the cold side when using alcohol as the vapor? So what about water, since it is lighter than air?
 
A simple cloud chamber consists of the sealed environment, a warm top plate and a cold bottom plate . It requires a source of liquid alcohol at the warm side of the chamber where the liquid evaporates, forming a vapor that cools as it falls through the gas and condenses on the cold bottom plate. So you actually want the vapor to fall.
 
I don't understand?? The vapor is heavier as it cooler, so the vapor closer to the cold bottom plate is cooler than the vapor layer right next to it, how could it fall down faster than when you reserve the temperature gradient?
 
We always want the supersaturated region as large as possible, so as to improve particles visibility. That's why I asked if reserving the cold plate could help?
I think the cold plate, if some mechanism were implemented to keep it at a appropriate constant temperature regardless of the heat flux flowing through it and are placed on the top, will provide larger supersaturated region than with the cold plate at the bottom. How could I do a calculation to prove (or disprove) it?
 
To preserve the tracks, you need the supersaturated region to be as undisturbed as possible. Convection eddies would distort any tracks produced if the heated surface was at the bottom.
 
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HotFurnace said:
How could I do a calculation to prove (or disprove) it?

don't need to calculate ... the experiment would be easy to set up and you would observe the
problem as stated in the quote below
darth boozer said:
To preserve the tracks, you need the supersaturated region to be as undisturbed as possible. Convection eddies would distort any tracks produced if the heated surface was at the bottom.
exactly :smile:
 
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Thanks for all replies! I will do a experiment to confirm this!
 
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