Eigenfunctions and eigenvalues

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The discussion focuses on solving the differential equation d²/dφ² f(φ) = q f(φ) and finding its eigenfunctions and eigenvalues. The solution is identified as f(φ) = A e^(±√q φ), with A being an arbitrary constant. A common method involves guessing a solution of the form f(φ) = e^(rφ) and substituting to find r. For the periodic condition f(φ + 2π) = f(φ), the relationship leads to the conclusion that q must be negative, specifically q = -n², where n is a non-negative integer. The discussion highlights the connection between the periodicity of the function and the eigenvalues derived from the equation.
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This is probably a straight forward question, but can someone show me how to solve this problem:

<br /> \frac {d^2} {d \phi^2} f(\phi) = q f(\phi)<br />

I need to solve for f, and the solution indicates the answer is:
<br /> f_{\substack{+\\-}} (\phi) = A e^{\substack{+\\-} \sqrt{q} \phi}<br />

I know I've covered this before - just need a refresher on how to solve.
 
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One way to solve this problem is to "guess" a solution. Since the form of your equation is very basic, this guess is usually taught as a standard method.

As your solution suggests, your guess should be the following:
f(\phi)=e^{r\phi}
Simply replace every function f with that equation above and solve for the unknown, r. Then, once you find r, plug it back into the equation above. Note that the "A" in your answer is an arbitrary constant used to solve with initial conditions.
 
thanks - knew it was something simple. I actually remembered the other approach too, where you replace f'' with r^2, f' with r, and f with 1, and then solve for what r is. But either approach gives the same result.

Thanks again though.
 
An additional question, somewhat related:

When determining the eigenvalues, the problem indicates that
<br /> f (\phi + 2\pi) = f (\phi)<br />

Given the answer already shown, why would this periodic function require:
<br /> 2 \pi \sqrt{q} = 2 n \pi i<br />
 
Take your given condition and substitute in the solution that has been found. Write the exponent of a sum as a product of exponents and the desired result follows automatically.

Do it. If you have trouble, show us what you tried and what part is bothering you.
 
Nevermind, I got it now - didn't realize the relation between 1 and e^(i2n(pi))...

<br /> A e^{\sqrt{q} \phi} = A e^{\sqrt{q} \left( \phi + 2 \pi \right)}<br />
<br /> e^{\sqrt{q} \phi} = e^{\sqrt{q} \phi} e^{\sqrt{q} 2 \pi}<br />
<br /> 1 = e^{\sqrt{q} 2 \pi}<br />
<br /> e^{i 2 n \pi} = e^{\sqrt{q} 2 \pi}<br />
<br /> i 2 n \pi = \sqrt{q} 2 \pi<br />
<br /> i n = \sqrt{q}<br />
<br /> q = -n^2 (n=0,1,2...)<br />
 
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