Eigenvalues for integral operator

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The discussion revolves around finding non-zero eigenvalues and eigenvectors for a specific integral operator defined as Kx := ∫₀ˡ (t-s)x(s) ds within the space C[0,ℓ]. Participants are exploring the relationship between the operator and the eigenvalue equation λx = Kx.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the integral equation to express it in terms of λ and x(t). There are questions about the validity of pulling variables out of the integral and whether λ should be complex or real. Some participants are considering the implications of the operator's definition and its effect on the function x.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants questioning their understanding of the problem setup and the mathematical manipulations involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of the eigenvalues and the form of the eigenfunctions, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding the correct formulation of the operator and the variables involved, as well as the interpretation of the integral equation. Participants are also noting that the eigenfunctions may be determined only up to a multiplicative constant.

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Homework Statement



Find all non-zero eignvalues and eigenvectors for the following integral operator

Kx := \int^{\ell}_0 (t-s)x(s) ds

in C[0,\ell]

Homework Equations



\lambda x= Kx


The Attempt at a Solution



\int^{\ell}_0 (t-s)x(s) ds = \lambda * x(t)

t\int^{\ell}_0 x(s) ds - s\int^{\ell}_0x(s) ds = \lambda * x(t)

Am I even going the right direction?
I think I need function(s) of x(t) and scalar \lambda, when I am finished is that right?

And should \lambda be a complex (possibly real) number?
 
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margaret37 said:

Homework Statement



Find all non-zero eignvalues and eigenvectors for the following integral operator

Kx := \int^{\ell}_0 (t-s)x(s) ds

in C[0,\ell]

Homework Equations



\lambda x= Kx

The Attempt at a Solution



\int^{\ell}_0 (t-s)x(s) ds = \lambda * x(t)

t\int^{\ell}_0 x(s) ds - s\int^{\ell}_0x(s) ds = \lambda * x(t)

Am I even going the right direction?
I think I need function(s) of x(t) and scalar \lambda, when I am finished is that right?

And should \lambda be a complex (possibly real) number?

Well, you are already on the wrong track because you cannot simply pull the "s" out of this integral when it's the variable of integration!

\int^{\ell}_0 sx(s) ds \neq s\int^{\ell}_0x(s) ds
 
Oops. :( But is this the right way to do it?
 
margaret37 said:
Oops. :( But is this the right way to do it?

Well, you haven't got that far yet so I can't say for sure.

But the basic idea is that \lambda will be a complex number (there might be more than one that work!), and corresponding to each such \lambda there will be a family of specific functions x(t) (the eigenvalues) which satisfy

\int_0^\ell (t-s) x(s) ds = \lambda x(t)
 
First of all you should correctly state the problem. It should read:

(Kx)(t) := \int^{\ell}_0 (t-s)x(s) ds

Can you see the difference?
 
I do see the difference. (Which is not how it is written on my assignment.)

So does K operate on x? Are t and s scalars?

So for a trivial example...

\int {e^{nx}} = ne^nx


So is this a solution to some integral equation similar to the problem?

Thank you for your answer
 
K takes a function x. It produces a new function Kx. The value of the new function at t is calculated from the values of the old function by the process of integration. You operator could be as well written as

<br /> (Ky)(s) := \int^{\ell}_0 (s-t)y(s) dt<br />

That would be exactly the same operator. Think about it!

Anyway, you want to solve the equation

Kx=\lambda x

Now two functions are equal when they are equal at all points. So the above means

(Kx)(t)=\lambda x(t) for all t.

So you substitute and get as much as possible from the equation

<br /> \int^{\ell}_0 (t-s)x(s) ds =\lambda x(t)<br />

for all t.

Now, if \lambda\neq 0 can you see from this equation that x(t) is necessarily a linear function of t, that is that it must be of the form

x(t)=at+b

?
 
Thank you very much. I think the light MAY be starting to dawn.
 
One more thing. You should get now something like

t\int_0^l(as+b)ds -\int_0^l s(as+b)=\lambda (at+b)

This is supposed to hold for all t, so, in particular, for t=0. So you will get two equations from the one above. Two equations for three unknowns: a,b,\lambda. But do not worry. The eigenfunction are determined only up to a multiplicative constant.
 

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