Electric and magnetic fields experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the characteristics and behavior of electric and magnetic fields, particularly in relation to a bar magnet and electromagnetic radiation. Participants explore the differences in how static fields and radiation fields propagate and their respective distances and energy implications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the magnetic field of a bar magnet, which is static, only extends a short distance (approximately 3 inches), and speculates that an electric field from a similar magnet would behave similarly.
  • Another participant states that the static magnetic field of a magnet decreases with distance as 1/r^3, while radiation fields from oscillating charges or magnets decrease as 1/r, allowing them to extend much farther.
  • A participant emphasizes that electromagnetic radiation differs fundamentally from static electric and magnetic fields, attributing radiation to accelerating charges rather than static charges or steady currents.
  • One participant seeks clarification on why the static magnetic field decreases with distance as 1/r^3 instead of the more familiar 1/r^2, suggesting that familiarity may not be a reliable guideline.
  • Another participant explains that a monopole field decreases as 1/r^2, while a dipole field decreases as 1/r^3, and mentions that higher moments decrease even faster, supporting this with a calculation analogy involving oppositely charged monopoles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of electric and magnetic fields, particularly regarding their propagation distances and the nature of electromagnetic radiation. There is no consensus on the reasons behind the differences in field behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various mathematical relationships and physical principles without resolving the underlying assumptions or providing definitive explanations for the observed phenomena.

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I have a simple question here that I seem not to be able to figure out.

If you have a regular bar magnet, it emits a magnetic field around it.
So, if you create an experiment and found out how far that field reached, you would see that the field doesn't go very far. Maybe like 3 inches (~ 7cm). (This is for a regular, bought at the grocery store bar magnet).

I would also bet that if you found a way to make a magnet that instead emitted an electric field, it would have the same result: not very far.

So, if electromagnetic radiation is just these two fields put together, then why do they go much farther than electric and magnetic fields individually? Also, why do they carry energy, when individual electric and magnetic fields alone are just force?

Thank you.
 
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The static magnetic field of a magnet falls off like 1/r^3.
Radiation fields of oscillating charges or magnets fall off like 1/r, and thus extend to much larger distances.
 
Electromagnetic radiation and static E-field and B-field are completely different.
Electromagnetic radiation is caused by accelerating charge while static fields are caused by static charge and steady current.
 
clem said:
The static magnetic field of a magnet falls off like 1/r^3.
Radiation fields of oscillating charges or magnets fall off like 1/r, and thus extend to much larger distances.
Eh, is there any reason why it's decreases inversely proportionate to r^3 rather than the more familiar r^2?
 
Defennder said:
Eh, is there any reason why it's decreases inversely proportionate to r^3 rather than the more familiar r^2?

I'm not sure that familiarity is a terribly good guideline.

A monopole field falls as 1/r2. A dipole field as 1/r3. Higher moments fall faster still.

You can prove this by calculating the field from a dipole as two oppositely charged monopoles a distance apart.
 

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