Electric Circuit With An Electric Motor - Satellite Project

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of an electric circuit for a satellite project involving an electric motor to generate artificial gravity by rotating a cylinder. Participants explore various aspects of circuit design, motor selection, and control mechanisms, including the integration of a microcontroller and accelerometer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on controlling the RPM of a DC motor using a microcontroller, emphasizing the need for a circuit to regulate voltage.
  • Another participant suggests implementing a feedback controller to maintain desired speed based on accelerometer data.
  • Concerns about accuracy, stability, and power consumption are raised, with one participant questioning the necessity of feedback control depending on the required precision.
  • Participants discuss the implications of temperature variations in space on the satellite's components, including the motor and battery.
  • One participant proposes using a brushless motor for efficiency, while another expresses concerns about the cost and operational voltage of low RPM brushless motors.
  • There is a discussion about how mass affects the voltage and current required to rotate the cylinder, with some participants emphasizing the role of friction in power requirements.
  • Confusion arises regarding the relationship between mass, voltage, and current, with participants debating the impact of friction and the nature of motion in a satellite context.
  • One participant expresses frustration over conflicting statements about the role of friction and the nature of satellite motion, seeking confirmation of their calculations related to motor specifications.
  • Another participant questions the purpose of the cylinder's rotation and its experimental context, seeking clarification on the intended application.
  • One participant clarifies that the goal is to create artificial gravity through centrifugal force while acknowledging the complexities of satellite dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the technical aspects of the project, with no consensus reached on the best approach to motor selection, power requirements, or the impact of mass and friction on the system. The discussion remains unresolved on several key points, including the validity of calculations and the necessity of feedback control.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of understanding requirements before proceeding with design and motor selection. There are unresolved questions regarding the effects of mass and friction on power consumption and the overall dynamics of the satellite.

  • #31
korkotyan said:
I can use a magnetorquer - 0 moving parts
Fine, just make sure it is fast enough for your still unspecified requirements.
korkotyan said:
Can I use a shunt motor to be able to scale that way? But if I buy this series motor (the ebay one I mentioned), how to calculate the voltage for specific rpm? And how to calculate the voltage for specific rpm with a mass? Are there any formulas on this matter?
Every motor will have different curves, you need the datasheet and experiments to check the voltage and current at given rpm and torque (you have to consider both).
korkotyan said:
Ok, what about thin materials that can melt (and there are a lot of those), or hitting space debris, it is an endless loop of problems. If you (not you specifically) start projects from things like that, you should not even bother starting them. From the simple reason, things will not go as planed, therefore you need to be able to overcome problems like that.
Don't use materials that melt. Satellite design needs several iterations because some dependencies go in circles, but you can focus on some points first and then care about minor issues. If those issues turn out to be larger, you might have to change something in the design. The very first things are always the requirements as you don't want to change those.
 
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  • #32
mfb said:
unspecified requirements
You are right, I realize now that some of the problems are critical, thus should be addressed before designing the satellite.

mfb said:
Every motor will have different curves, you need the datasheet and experiments to check the voltage and current at given rpm and torque (you have to consider both).
That is probably the most suitable way for me to start designing the satellite after specifying more requirements.

Thank you very much mfb, anorlunda and Baluncore for your help, you enlightened me on very important parts of this project. I will start now from the real beginning.
 

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