Electric Field and Potential in Spherical Shells

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The discussion revolves around the electric field and potential associated with two thin conducting spherical shells, focusing on the regions inside and outside the shells. The original poster presents calculations for the electric field and potential in three distinct regions based on given charges and radii.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of formulas for electric field and potential, questioning the appropriateness of using point charge equations in the context of spherical charge distributions. There is a focus on the use of Gauss's law and the need to consider potential differences rather than absolute potentials.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on using Gauss's law for determining the electric field in the specified regions. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between electric field and potential, with some participants expressing confusion about the integration process for calculating potential differences.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of Gauss's law and the definitions of potential in relation to the electric field. The original poster's assumptions about potential values and the conditions for V=0 are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


Consider two thin conducting spherical shells. The inner shell has a radius r1=15cm and a charge of 10.0 nC. The outer shell has a radius r2=30cm and a charge of -15.0 nC.
Find
a)the electric field E and
b)the electric potential V in A, B and C, with V=0 t r=infinity
A: r<r1
B: r1<r<r2
C: r>r2


Homework Equations


E=kq/r2
V=kq/r

The Attempt at a Solution


Using the above formula, I get

For the region A
E=0 and V=0 because the charge within a conducting shell is 0

For the region B
E= k(10 nC)/r2, r1<r<r2
V= k(10 nC/r

For the region C
E=k (10 nC + -15 nc)/r2=k(-5 nC)/r2
V=k(-5 nC)/r

Am I doing it the right way?
 
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E looks okay, though I'm not sure if you think in the right way or not. But V is not :smile: Remember that only V(infinity) = 0. You should find the potential difference instead.
Have you learned the Gauss law yet?
 
Yes, I have, but using the law is quite confusing. How will finding the potential difference make any difference, since my Va would be 0 and what's left is Vb which is kq/r?
 
The formula E = kq/r^2 only applies to charge points, not a distribution of charges. In this case, where symmetry is present, you should apply the Gauss law. Consider a spherical surface concentric with the shells.

Again, the formula V=kq/r only applies to charge points. To find V, you should apply the original formula: dV = -Edr. Va=0 only if a=infinity, so you must do the integration from r to infinity.

EDIT: Forgot to mention something. After using the Gauss law, you should find that the formula of E looks similar to E of a charge point. That's why you got right answers for E :smile:
 
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The equations you have mentioned are not appropriate here.

You'll need to use Gauss Law to find the field in the three regions you've mentioned.
Do you know how to use Gauss law? Look into your book if you don't.

Do you know how potential is related to the field?
 
The potential difference is V=k(integral)dq/r

V=-(integral)Eds=-(integral)Edr=-(integral)kQ/r2dr=-kQ(integral from a to b)dr/r2=kQ(1/b - 1/a)

Is this right
 
rizardon said:
The potential difference is V=k(integral)dq/r

V=-(integral)Eds=-(integral)Edr=-(integral)kQ/r2dr=-kQ(integral from a to b)dr/r2=kQ(1/b - 1/a)

Is this right

Only when E=kQ/r^2 from r=b to r=a :smile:
What if E=kq1/r^2 from r=b to r=c, and E=kq2/r^2 from r=c to r=a?
 

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