Electric Flux Theory & Superposition | Find Electric Field at P

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the electric field at a specific point (P) using electric flux theory and the principle of superposition. Participants explore the implications of charge distribution on electric field uniformity and the application of Gauss's law in different scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially attempted to find the electric field at point P using the equation for electric flux, questioning the validity of their approach due to the non-uniformity of the electric field through the surface.
  • Another participant confirmed that the electric field through the surface is indeed not uniform, supporting the initial participant's concern.
  • A participant raised a question about point charges distributed arbitrarily within a Gaussian surface, suggesting that the electric flux should remain unchanged despite the movement of charges, while the electric field would vary.
  • A later reply challenged the assumption that an arbitrary distribution of charges would produce a uniform electric field, stating that uniformity only occurs under specific symmetrical conditions.
  • Another participant affirmed the correctness of the assumption regarding the relationship between electric flux and the movement of point charges within the Gaussian surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the non-uniformity of the electric field in certain cases and the implications of charge distribution on electric flux. However, there are competing views regarding the uniformity of the electric field in arbitrary charge distributions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in this aspect.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of symmetry in determining the uniformity of electric fields and the application of Gauss's law, suggesting that assumptions about charge distribution and field behavior may vary based on specific conditions.

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In the image above, i was asked to find the electric field at point P. since the y-components cancel due to symmetry, i used he equation [itex]\Phi[/itex]=[itex]\int[/itex]E dA=Qenclosed/[itex]\epsilon[/itex] .

I found q1 and q2 by multiplying (charge density x h). then from that, i added the charges up to get Q(enclosed). I found my E by [itex]\Phi[/itex]/(2πah).
This method was wrong apparently but i don't know why. can someone explain?
Is it because the electric field through the surface is not uniform?

I later used superposition instead and i got the right answer.
 
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maiad said:
Is it because the electric field through the surface is not uniform?
Exactly.
 
There were also examples of point charges spread abritraily in a guassin space. Would that not be uniformed also? I would think that the electric flux should not change if the points charges shifted withing the guassin space, but the electric field should also change when the point charges move. Is my assumption correct?
 
maiad said:
There were also examples of point charges spread abritraily in a guassin space. Would that not be uniformed also?
No reason to think that an arbitrary distribution of charges within a Gaussian surface would produce a uniform field at the surface. Only in cases of sufficient symmetry would the the field be uniform.
I would think that the electric flux should not change if the points charges shifted withing the guassin space, but the electric field should also change when the point charges move. Is my assumption correct?
Yes, you are correct.
 

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