Electric Flux through a Gaussian Surface

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving electric flux through a Gaussian surface related to a hollow conducting sphere with a uniform surface charge density and an internal charge. Participants are exploring the implications of Gauss's law in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Gauss's law and the interpretation of enclosed charges within the Gaussian surface. There is a focus on understanding the implications of induced charges and the correct placement of the Gaussian surface.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about charge enclosure and the interpretation of the problem statement. Some guidance has been offered regarding the placement of the Gaussian surface and the relevance of induced charges.

Contextual Notes

There is ambiguity in the language used to describe the position of the Gaussian surface, leading to different interpretations among participants. The discussion reflects on the need for clarity in problem statements regarding the location of charges and surfaces.

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Hi all, I need your help with a question. Here goes,

Homework Statement



There is a hollow conducting sphere with a uniform surface charge density of +\sigma. A charge -q, is placed inside the cavity of the hollow sphere. What is the electric flux through a spherical surface just inside the inner surface of the sphere?



Homework Equations


Gaussian sphere.


The Attempt at a Solution


From my understanding, for a conductor with uniform surface charge density, there is no electric field inside the conductor, assuming electrostatic situation. When a charge -q is placed inside the cavity of the hollow sphere, it will induce positive charges amounting to +q around the cavity to cancel out the effect of -q and hence the net electric field within the conductor is zero. If I consider a Gaussian sphere just inside the inner surface of the sphere, due to symmetrical properties of the sphere, the electric flux \phi= Qenc/\epsilonSince the enclosed net charge is the charge -q and the induced charge around the cavity is +q, the net Qenc is 0, hence the electric flux is 0.

However the answer to this question is q/\epsilon Where have I gone wrong in my reasoning? Thank you so much!

Sorry if the post seems messy, I'm not too sure how to post the Greek Symbols with the subscripts. The 0 should be a subscript 0 for epsilon. My apologies again.
 
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phisci said:
If I consider a Gaussian sphere just inside the inner surface of the sphere, due to symmetrical properties of the sphere, the electric flux \phi= Qenc/\epsilon
That's Gauss's law.

Since the enclosed net charge is the charge -q
Right. Stop right there.
and the induced charge around the cavity is +q,
True, but not relevant.
the net Qenc is 0, hence the electric flux is 0.
Why are you adding those two charges? The only charge enclosed by the Gaussian surface is -q. The induced surface charge is outside the Gaussian surface, so it doesn't contribute to Qenc.

I suspect the problem is that you are interpreting 'just inside the inner surface' as being within the conducting material. But they don't mean that. If the inner radius of the hollow conductor is R, then the radius of your Gaussian surface should be a little less, R - δ.
 
So my Gaussian sphere should be the sphere enclosing -q? inside the cavity?

What would then be the net flux if the Gaussian Sphere is enclosing the entire cavity. The Gaussian sphere having a radius of R+\delta? Do I need to consider the induced charges around the cavity now? Thanks for the quick reply.
 
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phisci said:
So my Gaussian sphere should be the sphere enclosing -q? inside the cavity?
Yes.
phisci said:
What is the electric flux through a spherical surface just inside the inner surface of the sphere?
By 'just inside' they mean within the cavity. But the language is ambiguous and should have been clearer.
However the answer to this question is q/\epsilon
I'd say that answer has the wrong sign.
 
phisci said:
What would then be the net flux if the Gaussian Sphere is enclosing the entire cavity. The Gaussian sphere having a radius of R+\delta? Do I need to consider the induced charges around the cavity now?
In that case you must include all the enclosed charge include the charge on the inner surface. Just as you did in your first post. The flux through that Gaussian surface will be zero. Of course, this should require no calculation if you recall that the electrostatic field within a conductor must be zero.
 
Ah, i understand now. Thank you so much for your time and your quick response, appreciate it! :)
 

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