Electrochemical Cells (involving partial pressures and pH)

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The discussion centers on calculating the electromotive force (emf) of a voltaic cell using the provided reaction and conditions. The standard reduction potentials for the half-reactions are given, and the Nernst equation is applied to find the emf. Participants express confusion about incorporating pH and partial pressure of oxygen into the calculations, particularly regarding the correct formulation of the reaction quotient (Q). It is clarified that Q should be dimensionless, and the standard state for gases is 1 bar, which affects how partial pressures are treated. Ultimately, the correct emf is determined to be 0.37 V, highlighting the importance of accurately calculating Q using appropriate units.
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Homework Statement


A voltaic cell utilises the following reaction:

4 Fe2+(aq) + O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) ---> 4 Fe3+(aq) + 2 H2O(l)

What is the emf of this cell when [Fe2+] = 1.3 M, [Fe3+] = 0.010 M, PO2 = 0.51 bar and the pH of the solution in the cathode is 3.5.

The standard reduction potentials for each half-reaction.

Fe3+(aq)+ e- ---> Fe2+(aq) Eored = +0.77 V

O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) + 4 e- ---> 2 H2O(l) Eored = +1.23 V

Homework Equations


## E = E^o - \frac{RT}{nF}ln|Q| ##

Q=[Products][Reactants]

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not exactly sure how to incorporate the pH and Partial pressure of oxygen into this equation, but I had a go.

## \frac{P}{RT} = C ##

## \frac{51}{(8.314)(298)} = C ##

## {0.027M = C} ##

C being the concentration of Oxygen:

Then proceeded to find the concentration of hydrogen
## pH = -log_{10}|[H^+]| ##

## 3.5 = -log_{10}|[H^+]| ##

## 10^{-3.5} = [H^+] ##

## 0.00032M = [H^+] ##

Then I found the half reactions for the redox reaction:

## 4Fe^{2+} \rightarrow 4Fe^{3+} + 4e^- ## ---- Oxidation (+0.77V)

## 4e^- + O_2 + 4H^+ \rightarrow 2H_2O ## ---- Reduction (+1.23V)

Hence,
## E^o = E_{reduction} - E_{oxidation} ##

## E^o = (1.23) - (0.77) ##

## E^o = 0.46V ##

Now to find Q (I think this is where my error could be, I'm not sure what to do with the water, but I figured the concentration may be 1?).

## Q = \frac{[products]}{[reactants]} ##

## Q = \frac{[Fe^{3+}]}{[H^+]^4[O_2][Fe^{2+}]^4} ##

## Q = \frac{(1*10^{-8})}{(0.00032)^4(0.027)(1.3)^4} ##

## Q = 1250 ## (rounded, obviously)

Now using the equation:
## E = E^o - \frac{RT}{nF}ln|Q| ##

## E = 0.46 - \frac{(8.314)(298)}{(4)(96485)}ln|1250| ##

## E = 0.46 - 0.0457 ##

## E = 0.41V ##

however, this is incorrect. The correct answer is:
0.37V
 
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miniradman said:
O2(g) + 4 H+(aq) + 4 e- ---> 2 H2O(l) Eored = +1.23 V

What is the Nernst equation for the formal potential of this half cell?
 
Ok...

## E = E^o - \frac{RT}{nF} ln| Q | ##

## Q = \frac{[H_2O]}{[O_2][H^+]^4} ##

## Q = \frac{1^2}{(0.00032)^4(0.027)} ##

## ln|Q| = 35.8 ##

so:

## E = (1.23) - \frac{(8.314)(298)}{(4)(96485)} (35.8) ##

## E = (1.23) - 0.230 = 1 ##

Hmm, and If I did the same with the other half cell?

I get ## E = 0.801 ##, but I digress...
 
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Q should use partial pressure of the gas, not the concentration.
 
Righto, I converted it to a Kpa, I just has a feeling that Bar is not a the correct unit of measurement.

## Q = \frac{1}{(51)^4(0.027)} ##

## ln|Q| = -11.9 ##

## E = 1.23 - \frac{(8.314)(298)}{(4)(96485)}(-11.9) ##

## E = 1.306V ##

Quick question, why do I use the partial pressure of Oxygen as opposed to concentration (## M ##), doesn't the ##Q## have to be dimensionless?
 
To confuse you further, is Q for

HA <-> H+ + A-

dimensionless?

Q should be constructed using not concentrations, but dimensionless activities. Activity of a substance - for a diluted solution - is approximately equal its concentration, so we typically omit the activity coefficients assuming it equals 1 - but in effect we also introduce dimensionality into the equation.
 
I see, I always assumed it to be dimensionless (as a ratio of concentration), since it's analogous to equilibrium constant.

I'm still not sure exactly sure how to calculate ##Q##
 
Standard state of a gas is 1 bar, so just putting 0.51 as a partial pressure of oxygen should work.
 
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