Electrodynamics Potential from charged sphere. I am lost :/

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential from a charged sphere with a specific charge density given by ρ(r,θ)=κ/r²(R-2r)sin²(θ). Participants are exploring the mathematical formulation and integration involved in deriving the potential.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the correct form of the denominator in the potential equation and question the integration process. There are attempts to clarify the numerator and the integration limits, along with suggestions for substitutions. Some express uncertainty about their calculations and seek confirmation on their approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the use of mathematical tools, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach or solution.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the use of computational tools like Maple, and some participants emphasize the importance of understanding the underlying mathematics rather than relying solely on software for solutions.

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~Electrodynamics~ Potential from charged sphere. I am lost :/

Homework Statement



A sphere of radius R, centered at the origin, carries a charge density ρ(r,θ)=κ/r^2(R-2r)sin^2(θ).
κ is constant. Find exact potential.

Homework Equations



1/4∏ε∫ρ∂t/r

The Attempt at a Solution


Question and attempt via attachments :)
I do not think my solution is correct please help!
Thanks all for looking!
 

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Shouldn't it be ##\frac{...}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta}}## instead of ##\frac{...}{\sqrt{R^2+r^2-2Rr\cos\theta}}## ?

as ##\sqrt{(z-r\cos\theta)^2+r^2\sin^2\theta}=\sqrt{z^2+r^2-2rz\cos\theta}## is a distance from the point in the sphere to the point in z-axis
 
Okay, yeah that makes sense. So the numerator looked good? If possible could you please work it out? I MUST have the integration done correctly! Thank you for responding!
 
Yes, the numerator is correct, you get:

##V(z)=\frac{K}{4\pi\varepsilon}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^R\int_0^\pi\frac{(R-2r)\sin^3\theta}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta}}\,d\theta drd\varphi##

so try a substitution ##u=z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta##
 
Using maple I got a ridiculous answer (attached)

What am I doing wrong?
 

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I don't know what is wrong. I calculated it in such a way:

##V(z)=\frac{K}{4\pi\varepsilon}\int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^R\int_0^\pi\frac{(R-2r)\sin^3\theta}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta}}\,d\theta drd\varphi=\frac{K}{2\varepsilon}\int_0^R\int_0^\pi\frac{(R-2r)(1-\cos^2\theta)\sin\theta}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta}}\,d\theta dr=(*)\\
z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta=u\\
\cos\theta=\frac{r^2+z^2-u}{2zr}\\
\sin\theta\,d\theta=\frac{du}{2zr}\\
(*)=\frac{K}{2\varepsilon}\int_0^R\int_{(z-r)^2}^{(z+r)^2}\frac{(R-2r)\left(1-\left(\frac{r^2+z^2-u}{2zr}\right)^2\right)}{2zr\sqrt{u}}\,dudr=...##
 
pence said:
Okay, yeah that makes sense. So the numerator looked good? If possible could you please work it out? I MUST have the integration done correctly! Thank you for responding!
That's not how it works here. We don't do the problem for you. That's your job.

pence said:
Using maple I got a ridiculous answer (attached)

What am I doing wrong?
Using Maple for one thing. The point of this problem really is to learn how to do the math.

You should recognize the expression
$$\frac{1}{\sqrt{z^2+r^2-2zr\cos\theta}}.$$ Expand it in terms of Legendre polynomials.
 
If I had a nickle every time someone says "I plugged it into maple". . .

Also, a table of integrals comes in very handy for EM problems.
 
One should also say that the correct formula for the potential everywhere is (in SI units)
V(\vec{x})=\int_{\mathbb{R}^3} \mathrm{d}^3 \vec{x}' \frac{\rho(\vec{x}')}{4 \pi \epsilon_0 |\vec{x}-\vec{x}'|}.
Here, however, I'd rather use the multipole expansion of the potential and solve Poisson's Equation
\Delta V=-\frac{1}{\epsilon} \rho.
 

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