Electromagnetic radiation prevalence

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the prevalence of electromagnetic radiation in different environments, specifically comparing measurements in space versus on Earth. Participants explore the implications of the human eye's limited detection capabilities within the electromagnetic spectrum and the intensity of various wavelengths emitted by celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • Waldheri proposes a thought experiment involving a device that counts photons across all wavelengths, questioning the intensity versus wavelength curve in space compared to Earth.
  • One participant suggests that the spectrum observed depends on the celestial bodies in view and their emitted radiation, noting that Earth's atmosphere affects the light through absorption and scattering.
  • Waldheri reflects on the limitations of human vision, questioning whether the visible spectrum contains a significant portion of the total electromagnetic radiation present.
  • Another participant confirms that while the human eye cannot detect many wavelengths, a substantial amount of radiation from the sun is indeed in the infrared range, indicating that we miss a significant portion of the spectrum.
  • There is uncertainty regarding the overall amounts of electromagnetic radiation across the spectrum and how they compare to what is visible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the limitations of human vision regarding electromagnetic radiation detection, but there is no consensus on the overall prevalence of different types of radiation or the implications of these limitations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the influence of atmospheric effects on radiation measurements on Earth, as well as the need for further exploration into the amounts of radiation across the spectrum.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring topics in physics related to electromagnetic radiation, human perception of light, and the effects of environmental factors on radiation detection.

Waldheri
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Hello,

Perhaps my wording is a bit off so excuse me for that. I think it best to explain by way of a thought experiment. Say there is a device that counts the amount of photons with the same wavelength for all possible wavelengths. What is then the intensity vs. wavelength curve that I would see if I put this device in space, and will it be significantly different from what I would see if I put it on earth?

I've tried searching for this but I think I use the wrong terms in Google to get what I want. I will be very thankful for anyone that can provide some good sources on this.

Cheers,
Waldheri
 
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If you're pointing the detector at some random point in space, then the spectrum you will see just depends on what celestial bodies are in the region of space that the detector can see, and what type of radiation these bodies emit. If you're pointing it at the sun then you will see the spectrum of the sun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunlight

On earth, you need to consider the Earth's atmosphere both absorbing and scattering the light. That page and also the page on Rayleigh scattering are relevant to the processes for sunlight. In terms of other types of radiation from space, I'm not sure which are scattered or absorbed, but if you search for the answer to that question, it should be easier to find.
 
Thank you for your reply.

I asked this questions because I was thinking of the human eye, and how it can only detect a small slice in the electromagnetic spectrum. First I thought this had to mean we are blind to most em-radiation, but upon second thought I realized I also need to know how much em-radiation with the visible wavelengths there actually isin comparison to other em-radiation.

So it boils down to: we see only a tiny slice of the spectrum, but most radiation is in that spectrum or do we actually miss the majority of what's to be seen?
 
It's definitely the case that our eyes simply can't detect other wavelengths, regardless of how much radiation is present in those parts of the spectrum. But in terms of the amounts, the page for infrared says "Sunlight at zenith provides an irradiance of just over 1 kilowatt per square meter at sea level. Of this energy, 527 watts is infrared radiation, 445 watts is visible light, and 32 watts is ultraviolet radiation." So even neglecting all the rest of the spectrum, we are missing over half of what reaches us from the sun.

I don't really know the answer to your general question though, obviously.
 

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