Electrostatics from particle laden air

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the generation of static electricity from airflow containing particles, such as smoke or dust. Participants explore the feasibility of using such a mechanism, referencing existing devices like the Kelvin water dropper and the Van de Graaff generator, while considering the implications of particle behavior in generating and discharging static charge.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of generating static electricity from air flow with particles, seeking examples of experiments.
  • Another participant confirms that static electricity can indeed be generated in grain transporters and silos, noting the potential for explosive mixtures of dust and air.
  • A participant speculates on the application of particles in a Van de Graaff generator, raising concerns about how particles might discharge and stick to surfaces, suggesting that tiny metallic particles could be more effective.
  • There is a suggestion to investigate how charge accumulation occurs in natural phenomena like lightning strikes.
  • A later reply warns against using tiny metallic particles based on personal experience in a welding factory, highlighting issues with particles clinging to surfaces and causing maintenance challenges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement on the potential for generating static electricity from particle-laden air, but there are differing opinions on the practicality and safety of using certain types of particles, particularly metallic ones. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods and materials for achieving this.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the behavior of particles in generating static charge and the challenges associated with discharging them. There are also concerns about the safety implications of using certain materials.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electrostatics, particle physics, or applications involving static electricity in industrial settings may find this discussion relevant.

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Is it possible to generate static electricity from air flow containing particles example smoke or dust flow, or does anyone know of experiments such as the kelvin water dropper converted to generate static from air flow ?

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It very possible. Grain transporters and silos use air to move grain around. Unfortunately the mixture of dust and air can be explosive and generate sufficient static electricity to trigger an explosion.
 
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Warning - speculation !

I've often wondered if something like this could be used in a Van de Graaff arrangement. But I'd assumed I could just rely on ionising air molecules.

If you used dust, I wonder how you would discharge the particles? When they passed through the mesh / past the brushes, wouldn't they be attracted and tend to stick? Perhaps tiny metallic particles would work better, as they would discharge on contact.

The problem with both VdG and Kelvin generator might be the repulsion as the charge builds up, but with solid particles if you drive them fast enough I suppose you can overcome that (the water drops disintegrate.).
 
Perhaps also worth looking at how the charge needed to create a lightning strike is built up.
 
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Merlin3189 said:
…Perhaps tiny metallic particles would work better, as they would discharge on contact …
DON’T DO IT! I used to work in a robotic welding factory. The air was always a bit hazy, and most of that haze was tiny metallic particulates. I can tell you from experience that they cling to everything. As a maintenance team, it was one of our biggest problems.

Sorry to be so emphatic, but I think I just had a little ptsd flashback.
 

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