Elevator Free Fall: Calculating Energy & Spring Constant

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving an elevator in free fall, focusing on energy calculations and the spring constant related to shock absorbers. The scenario includes the elevator's weight, height from the ground, and the effects of friction during its descent.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the total energy of the elevator at different points, including potential energy and kinetic energy, while considering the work done by friction. There are attempts to equate energy lost to friction with the energy stored in the spring.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the calculations, suggesting corrections and clarifications regarding the energy equations. Multiple interpretations of the energy relationships are being explored, particularly in relation to the spring constant.

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Participants are discussing the implications of friction and the assumptions made about the energy transformations involved in the scenario. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of energy principles without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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an elevator car weighing 50,000 N is 27m from the ground. the cable snaps and the elevator goes into free fall. Shock absorbers have been provided, the coil length is 1 m.

Assume elevator is able to lock onto the shaft at the point of contact w/ the absorber so that it does not bounce back. When elevator comes into contact w/ absorbers there is friction force of 60,000N acting on it as it descends that 1 m distance.


(A) Total energy of the elevator 27m above ground?
MGH= 50,000N*27
MGH = 1,350,000

(B)At the bottom of the shaft,when elevator comes to rest what is the total energy (take into account work done by friction)

MGH= 0 KE = 1/2 M V2- Friction

1/2 5000 V2=1,350,000-60,000
V2=564
V=24

Total energy: 1290000 ?


(C)Use work energy principal to determine spring constant K.

MGH= 50,000N* -1 = -50,000N
SPE = 1/2Kx2 = 1/2 K

-50,000+1/2 K = 1,290,000

K= 2,680,000



This doesn't seem correct.
 
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it looks very good (and a well posted question and attempt at solution!) up until part c:

The energy stored in a spring is 1/2kX^2

Equate this to the energy lost by "friction",
 
Thank you Denverdoc.


Is this what you mean?


MGH= 50,000N* -1 = -50,000N
SPE = 1/2Kx2 = 1/2 K (1)

-50,000 + 1/2 K (1) = 60,000 N (??)

1/2 K = 110,000

K= 220,000
 
not quite: mgh = 1/2 kx^2. The kneticenergy gets converted to the potemtial energy of the spring.
 
Is this what you mean?

50,000 = 1/2 K X ^2

100,000 = K
 

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