EMF and potential in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential difference across points ab and ac in a circuit with four identical cells connected in series. The confusion arises from the sign of the electromotive force (emf) when considering the direction of current flow from the cells. The correct approach involves measuring the emf relative to a reference point, which clarifies the signs used in calculations. The initial misunderstanding led to an incorrect result of -E/2 for ab, while the correct answer is E/2. Ultimately, the clarification on reference points resolved the confusion.
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Homework Statement


Four identical cells each having emf E and internal resistance r are connected in series to form a loop abcd as shown in figure (picture 1). Find potential difference across ab and ac.

2. Homework Equations

V=IR
equations for combination of cells and resistances

The Attempt at a Solution


this is the circuit diagram-(picture 2. left for across ab and right one for across ac), I can find equivalent resistance easily, what confuses me is the sign of the emf- for ab three cells are sending current in one direction while one is in the opposite direction. So using +E for three and -E for one I get the answer -E/2 across ab but the correct answer is E/2. I think there's a fundamental mistake in my understanding of emf so I'd be grateful if someone can explain it to me in an simple, intuitive way. Thank you.
 

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Krushnaraj Pandya said:

Homework Statement


Four identical cells each having emf E and internal resistance r are connected in series to form a loop abcd as shown in figure (picture 1). Find potential difference across ab and ac.

2. Homework Equations

V=IR
equations for combination of cells and resistances

The Attempt at a Solution


this is the circuit diagram-(picture 2. left for across ab and right one for across ac), I can find equivalent resistance easily, what confuses me is the sign of the emf- for ab three cells are sending current in one direction while one is in the opposite direction. So using +E for three and -E for one I get the answer -E/2 across ab but the correct answer is E/2. I think there's a fundamental mistake in my understanding of emf so I'd be grateful if someone can explain it to me in an simple, intuitive way. Thank you.
I think the only thing you are missing is the idea that you have to measure the EMF relative to a reference. If you measure the EMF at ##b## relative to ##a## you get one sign. If you measure the EMF at ##a## relative to ##b##, you get the other sign.
 
tnich said:
I think the only thing you are missing is the idea that you have to measure the EMF relative to a reference. If you measure the EMF at ##b## relative to ##a## you get one sign. If you measure the EMF at ##a## relative to ##b##, you get the other sign.
Got it after some thinking, thank you :D
 
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