Emission of EM Wave: Why Does it Happen?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the emission of electromagnetic (EM) waves from antennas when subjected to alternating currents. Participants explore the underlying mechanisms, theoretical models, and practical limitations associated with this phenomenon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the emission of EM waves is linked to accelerating electrons, as described by Maxwell's equations, but the fundamental "why" remains elusive.
  • A simplified sequence is presented: an electric current produces a magnetic field, which oscillates with alternating current, leading to the propagation of EM waves at speed c.
  • One participant suggests that the frequency of the generated EM wave matches the frequency of the oscillating current in the antenna, proposing that visible light could potentially be emitted by controlling this frequency.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of generating high-frequency oscillations necessary for visible light emission from standard antennas, mentioning potential advancements in nano-scale antennas.
  • It is noted that material properties of the antenna play a significant role in the generation of EM fields, and classical models may have limitations at certain scales.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the mechanisms of EM wave emission and the feasibility of generating visible light from antennas, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the applicability of classical models, the dependence on antenna material properties, and the unresolved nature of high-frequency oscillation capabilities.

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In wikipedia's description of transmitter, if an alternating current is given to an antenna, then the antenna radiates off em wave.
But why this happens so?
 
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Nobody knows - "why" questions are not what science does.

However - the EM waves comes of an accelerating electron because electricity and magnetism are part of the same force. The force is described by Maxwell's equations.
The exact description depends on which model you want to use - so some sort of context would hep here.
 
The simplistic description is this:

1. An electric current produces a magnetic field.

2. An oscillating (alternating) electric current produces an oscillating magnetic field.

3. An oscillating magnetic field "produces" an oscillating electric field, which in turn "produces" more oscillating magnetic fields, which in turn "produce" more oscillating electric fields, etc. via the time-derivative terms in Maxwell's equations. These oscillations propagate at speed c.

A more accurate version of step 3 is that oscillating magnetic fields are inevitably associated with oscillating electric fields, both propagating at speed c, again via the time-derivative terms in Maxwell's equations. This avoids the implication of a circular cause and effect chain.
 
jtbell said:
The simplistic description is this:

1. An electric current produces a magnetic field.

2. An oscillating (alternating) electric current produces an oscillating magnetic field.

3. An oscillating magnetic field "produces" an oscillating electric field, which in turn "produces" more oscillating magnetic fields, which in turn "produce" more oscillating electric fields, etc. via the time-derivative terms in Maxwell's equations. These oscillations propagate at speed c.

A more accurate version of step 3 is that oscillating magnetic fields are inevitably associated with oscillating electric fields, both propagating at speed c, again via the time-derivative terms in Maxwell's equations. This avoids the implication of a circular cause and effect chain.

Ok, oscillating electric current can produce electromagnetic waves from an antenna. Frequency of generated electromagnetic wave is the same as frequency of oscillations of current in the antenna. I think I'm correct on my last sentence.

Then I think it is also possible to observe visible light from an antenna by controlling frequency of oscillations of its current.

Just a thought.
 
Neandethal00 said:
Ok, oscillating electric current can produce electromagnetic waves from an antenna. Frequency of generated electromagnetic wave is the same as frequency of oscillations of current in the antenna. I think I'm correct on my last sentence.

Then I think it is also possible to observe visible light from an antenna by controlling frequency of oscillations of its current.

Just a thought.

Not from a standard antenna. We simply can't oscillate the electrons back and forth at a high enough frequency, it's just way too high! Perhaps future technology will have the ability to do so, and I think I might have read something about nano-scale antennas that can do this, but I really don't know.
 
Yah. In principle one could oscillate charges to get optical EM fields ... particularly in the classical model considered here. However, the material properties of the antenna are also important.

We usually exploit some other properties instead ... like heating the metal until it glows.
There is a point where the classical "light wave" model stops being useful.
 

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