Empirical equation from two variables (1 input and 1 output)

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter AligatorAmy
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Input Output Variables
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around deriving an empirical equation from experimental data involving two interdependent variables: temperature (input) and viscosity (output). Participants explore methods for modeling the relationship between these variables based on the provided data.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests posting a plot of viscosity versus temperature to better understand the data's behavior.
  • Another participant proposes plotting the logarithm of viscosity against temperature, indicating that if viscosity decreases exponentially, the plot should yield a straight line.
  • A different suggestion involves performing a polynomial regression on the logarithm of viscosity versus temperature, leading to a polynomial expression that can be exponentiated to find viscosity.
  • One participant speculates that a model of the form ln(b e-cx+f e-dx) with free parameters might fit the data, although they express uncertainty about its physical justification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various modeling approaches without reaching a consensus on a specific method or model. Multiple competing views on how to derive the empirical equation remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the appropriateness of the proposed models or the underlying assumptions about the data's behavior. The discussion lacks detailed information about the data's characteristics and the specific nature of the relationship between temperature and viscosity.

Who May Find This Useful

Researchers or practitioners interested in empirical modeling of physical properties, particularly those working with temperature-dependent viscosity data.

AligatorAmy
Messages
27
Reaction score
1
Hi,
I have empirical data from my experiments.
There are 2 columns of data (2 interdependent variables- temperature and viscosity)..
1 column (temperature) is input variable (temp. of tested material, once it was melted, it was gradually increased during the experiment).
1 column (viscosity) is output variable (viscosity was decreasing as the input temperature was increasing).

I am looking for simple method to obtain the empirical equation, so once I hand over this data, someone can use the equation to calculate the change in viscosity for a given change of temperature.

I tried Excel (2010), e.g. regression, but I am still not sure how can I do it.
Please help. Regards.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
It would probably help if you could post a plot of the viscosity versus temperature, since at at least I don't know how the slightest idea about how your data look like.

However, one thing to try is to plot the logarithm of the viscosity versus temperature. If the viscosity decreases exponentially you should see a straight line.
 
@eys_physics
Thank you for your reply. I send attached the plot in jpeg format.
 

Attachments

  • Plot.jpg
    Plot.jpg
    18.8 KB · Views: 588
I recommend to put ##y=log(v)## where #v# is the viscosity. Do then a polynomial regression of ##y## versus ##T##. It will give you a polynomial ##p(T)##.
I believe a linear or quadratic polynomial is enough. Finally, you have that ##v=\exp(p(T))##.
 
Just based on the shape, something like a ln(b e-cx+f e-dx) with free parameters a,b,c,d,f should fit. I'm not sure how well-motivated that would be in terms of physics.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
6K