Energy current for field satisfying KG equation

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The discussion revolves around finding the energy current density associated with the energy density defined in the context of the Klein-Gordon equation. Participants are exploring the relationships between derivatives of the field and the implications for continuity equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the time derivative of the energy density and its relation to the continuity equation. There is an exploration of vector calculus identities to simplify expressions. Some participants question the validity of their manipulations and seek hints for further progress.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in deriving relationships between the terms involved, with one suggesting a potential expression for the energy current density. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the interpretation and implications of these expressions, and no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the Klein-Gordon equation and are attempting to derive results without providing complete solutions. There is an acknowledgment of varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter among participants.

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Homework Statement
To find the energy current density ##\vec{j}## corresponding to the energy density ##\mathcal{E} = \frac{1}{2} \left[ \phi_t^2 + c^2 (\nabla \phi)^2 + m^2 c^4 \phi^2 \right] = 0##, where ##\phi## satisfies ##\phi_{tt} - c^2 \nabla^2 \phi + m^2 c^4 \phi = 0##
Relevant Equations
N/A
First to compute the time derivative of ##\mathcal{E}##,$$\mathcal{E}_t= \phi_t \phi_{tt} + c^2 (\nabla \phi_t) \cdot (\nabla \phi) + m^2 c^4 \phi \phi_t = \phi_t \left[ \phi_{tt} m^2 c^4 + \phi \right] + c^2 (\nabla \phi_t) \cdot (\nabla \phi)$$Then we switch out ##\phi_{tt} + m^2 c^4 \phi## for ##c^2 \nabla^2 \phi## as per the KG equation,$$\mathcal{E}_t = c^2 \left[\phi_t \nabla^2 \phi + (\nabla \phi_t) \cdot (\nabla \phi) \right]$$This must satisfy the continuity equation with zero sources or sinks, and so$$\nabla \cdot \vec{j} = - \mathcal{E}_t = - c^2 \left[\phi_t \nabla^2 \phi + (\nabla \phi_t) \cdot (\nabla \phi) \right]$$The RHS looks like it might be able to be cleaned up with a vector calculus identity or something, but I can't see it. Wondered if anyone had a hint? Thanks!
 
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etotheipi said:
Homework Statement:: To find the energy current density ##\vec{j}## corresponding to the energy density ##\mathcal{E} = \frac{1}{2} \left[ \phi_t^2 + c^2 (\nabla \phi)^2 + m^2 c^4 \phi^2 \right] = 0##, where ##\phi## satisfies ##\phi_{tt} - c^2 \nabla^2 \phi + m^2 c^4 \phi = 0##
Relevant Equations:: N/A

The RHS looks like it might be able to be cleaned up with a vector calculus identity or something, but I can't see it. Wondered if anyone had a hint?
Product rule?
 
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Ahh okay, I see it now looking at it a second time. It's going to be$$\phi_t \nabla^2 \phi + \nabla \phi_t \cdot \nabla \phi = \nabla \cdot (\phi_t \nabla \phi)$$We can prove this relation by looking at the components, starting from the RHS (and using the summation convention)$$\begin{align*}

\nabla \cdot (\phi_t \nabla \phi) = \partial_i (\phi_t \nabla \phi)_i &= \partial_i(\phi_t \vec{e}_j \partial_j \phi)_i \\

&= \partial_i (\phi_t \partial_i \phi) \\

&= (\partial_i \phi_t) (\partial_i \phi) + \phi_t \partial_i \partial_i \phi \\

&= (\partial_i \phi_t) \vec{e}_i \cdot (\partial_j \phi) \vec{e}_j + \phi_t \nabla^2 \phi \\

&= \nabla \phi_t \cdot \nabla \phi + \phi_t \nabla^2 \phi

\end{align*}$$So back to the actual question, we're left with$$\nabla \cdot \vec{j} = -c^2 \nabla \cdot (\phi_t \nabla \phi)$$which would suggest$$\vec{j} = -c^2 \phi_t \nabla \phi$$Does that look okay?
 
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The math looks right. I admit, I’ve never seen that expression before, but field theory isn’t really my strong suit. It kind of looks like half of the probability current, which I guess makes sense?
 
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