Energy minimisation, confusion in interpretation of question

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of energy minimization in thermodynamics, specifically regarding the equilibrium state of a system with fixed entropy, volume, and number of particles. The initial interpretation suggested that minimizing energy implies a fixed entropy, while the correct interpretation indicates that, under fixed conditions, energy is minimized according to the second law of thermodynamics. Participants express confusion over the relationship between constant energy and the specified conditions of entropy, volume, and particle number. A question arises about whether there are scenarios where minimizing energy could lead to constant entropy, volume, and number of particles without prior specification. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the complexities of thermodynamic principles and the nuances in interpreting energy minimization.
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Perhaps not an appropriate place to ask this. I've completed a question which is phrased as the following:

Explain, on thermodynamical grounds, why the minimisation of the energy E(S, V, N) yields the equilibrium state of a system with fixed entropy S, volume V and number of particles N.

I had one interpretation, to show that minimisation of the energy, i.e. that dE = 0, leads to a fixed entropy, volume, and number of particles.

The correct interpretation was actually to show that under fixed, entropy, and number of particles the energy is minimised, using the second law. To me, this does not make sense, however it did lead to one question: is there a situation where minimising E would lead to a constant entropy, volume, and number of particles where this was not specified initially?
 
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Dazed&Confused said:
The correct interpretation was actually to show that under fixed, entropy, and number of particles the energy is minimised, using the second law.
... that's how I read it. The state is given by the numbers (S,V,N).

To me, this does not make sense, however it did lead to one question: is there a situation where minimising E would lead to a constant entropy, volume, and number of particles where this was not specified initially?
... what would the constraint be? Minimum energy could be zero for zero particles.
 
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Ok thanks. Ignore my question.

What I do not understand is why if E(S,V,N) does constant S, V, N not mean constant E.

I've seen the derivation using the availability but I'm not sure why the supposed contradiction isn't one.
 
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