Energy of an oscillating spring

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The discussion revolves around the energy dynamics of a spring-mass system undergoing oscillation. Participants explore the roles of elastic potential energy (EPE), gravitational potential energy (GPE), and kinetic energy (KE) at various positions in the oscillation cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the nature of energy at different points in the oscillation, questioning the inclusion of compression in Hooke's law and the implications for energy conservation. They explore the relationship between EPE, GPE, and KE throughout the motion.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the energy transformations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of potential energy in both extension and compression, while questions about conservation of energy and the effects of gravity remain active points of inquiry.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of energy conservation in the presence of gravitational forces, noting that the elastic potential energy at different points in the oscillation may not be equivalent due to gravitational effects.

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Ok, so I got a spring attached to a weight and positioned on the eqm point. So I displace it a little and it undergoes oscillation.

At the lowest point, everything is Elastic Potential Energy since extension is maximum.

At the eqm point, extension=0 so it is just a mixture of KE and GPE.

At the top, there is 0 KE, maximum GPE. But what about the Elastic Potential energy? Does the hooke's law extension formula includes 'compression'? Is there 'compression energy'?

Thanks.
 
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Yes, there is. The spring imparts a restoring force, and there is potential energy in this; if the spring is compressed, there is energy stored that can be used to accelerate (think in the pinball machine, how you shoot the ball). If the spring is extended, there is energy in that it wants to restore an attached object to equilibrium.

The potential energy is the same in either case, and is dependent only on the distance x from equilibrium (in either direction):

[tex]U = \frac{1}{2}kx^2[/tex]
 
Ok thanks. So the energy at the top is not purely GPE (although it is at maximum compared to other positions) but also maximum EPE (since maximum extension/compression)?

But what about conservation of energy?

Bottom: Elastic PE(max)
Top:Elastic PE(max)+GPE(max)

Im still quite confused lol.
 
Well, let's take a minute and think about what's going on here, when you factor in gravity. The spring itself exerts a force on the attached mass-- upwards, if the mass is below equilibrium (spring is extended), and downwards, if the mass is above equilibrium (spring is compressed). Gravity, however, exerts a force downwards, always. So what's the net result? You get more force going down than you get going up. What does this mean in terms of motion of the mass? It means that it extends further from equilibrium at the downward portion, than it does when it compresses upwards (because of gravity).

So when you say Elastic PE(max), you have to note that the Elastic potential energy at the top of the motion is not equal to the elastic potential energy at the bottom (because of gravity).

Where does the extra energy go/come from? You guessed it, the gravitational potential energy. Energy is conserved.
 

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