Calculating Energy and Height in a Vertical Spring System

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In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of the height of a particle above a fixed point when two identical strings of length 1 metre with a modulus of elasticity are attached to it. The particle is then pulled down and released from rest, and the question is posed about the maximum height it will reach above the fixed point. The first part of the problem is solved, with the answer being 1.5 metres. For the second part, the bottom string is assumed to be slack and the top string is stretched to 4 metres from its original length of 1 metre. However, it is pointed out that for the calculated maximum height of 2.83 metres, the top string will still be extended by 0.17 metres,
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2 identical strings of length 1 metres and modulus of elasticity are each fastened to a particle of mass .5 kg. their othe ends are fixed to 2 points 4 metres apart in a vertical line. Find the height of the particle above the lower fixed point A in the equilibrium position. the particle is now pulled down to A and released from rest. find the greatest height above A to which the particle rises.

first part i have done, answer is 1.5 so (top string is of stretched length 2.5)

for second part i have said

at bottom

bottom string is slack so epe=0
top string is stretched to 4m from 1 m so
epe=modulus(extension)^2/(natural length)=4.9(3^2)/2
released from rest so KE=0

so initially total energy is 4.9(9/2)

at greatest height above A. H,say

PE=.5gH=4.9H using g=9.8
KE=0
EPE=modulus(extension)^2/(natural length)=4.9(h-1)^2/2

so energy at top is 4.9H+[4.9(H-1)^2]/2

by conservation

4.9H+[4.9(H-1)^2]/2=4.9(9/2)


so H^2=8 H=2.83

this is correct but i am troubled by the lines in bold.

i didnt know the height so assumed it would be high enough for the top string to be slack so have no EPE. this is how i came to that line.

BUT for this value of H, 2.83, the top string will still be extended,by .17m, so surely it contributes some EPE? is ths so? If it does how do i adjust my solution?
 
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is anyone able to help me with this?
i am struggling to see how energy works and really need help.
 

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