Entropy, chemical potential, temperature

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Entropy is defined as a function of internal energy (U), number of particles (N), and volume (V) in thermodynamic systems. Temperature is derived from the partial derivative of entropy with respect to energy, while chemical potential is derived from the partial derivative with respect to particle number. The discussion emphasizes that these partial derivatives consider only the explicit dependence on U, N, and V, without accounting for potential interdependencies. It is noted that mixing representations of entropy and energy can lead to confusion, as they treat U, V, and N as independent variables in different contexts. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for accurate thermodynamic analysis.
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For a thermodynamic system there exists a function called entropy S(U,N,V) etc.
We then define for instance temperature as:
1/T = ∂S/∂U
μ = ∂S/∂N
etc.
When taking these partial it is understood that we only take the derivative of S wrt the explicit dependece on U,N etc. right? Because couldn't U carry an N dependence? I mean it does not for me make physical sense that the energy of the system should not be related to the number of particles in it. Actually it seems also a bit weird that there should be an explicit U dependence. Does this come from the fact that we are given the mean value of the internal energy of the system?
 
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aaaa202 said:
When taking these partial it is understood that we only take the derivative of S wrt the explicit dependece on U,N etc. right?

Yes, that is the definition of a partial derivative as opposed, e.g. to a total derivative.
 
aaaa202 said:
For a thermodynamic system there exists a function called entropy S(U,N,V) etc.
We then define for instance temperature as:
1/T = ∂S/∂U
μ = ∂S/∂N
etc.
When taking these partial it is understood that we only take the derivative of S wrt the explicit dependece on U,N etc. right? Because couldn't U carry an N dependence? I mean it does not for me make physical sense that the energy of the system should not be related to the number of particles in it. Actually it seems also a bit weird that there should be an explicit U dependence. Does this come from the fact that we are given the mean value of the internal energy of the system?
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In the entropy representation U,V,N are independent variables. On the other hand in the energy representation S,V,N are independent variables. One should not mix the two representations in the same time.
 
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