Entropy of a Fermi dirac ideal gas

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The discussion focuses on deriving the entropy expression for a Fermi-Dirac ideal gas from its partition function. The key equation provided is S = k(ln(Z) + β<E>), where <nr> represents the average occupancy of states. Participants are trying to manipulate the partition function, ln(Z), to incorporate <nr> and ultimately express entropy in the desired form. Despite attempts to relate ln(Z) to <nr>, confusion arises regarding the correct transformation to reach the final entropy equation. The conversation suggests that further expertise may be needed, indicating a potential move to a more advanced physics forum for deeper insights.
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Homework Statement


From the expression of the partition function of a fermi dirac ideal gas
ln(Z)=αN + ∑ ln(1+exp(-α-βEr))
show that
S= k ∑ [ <nr>ln(<nr>)+(1-<nr>)ln(1-<nr>)


Homework Equations


S=k( lnZ+β<E>)
<nr>=-1/β ∂ln(Z)/∂Er
<E>=-∂ln(Z)/∂β

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to start with
S=k( lnZ+β<E>)
But I don't know how we get to introduce the nr in that ?

Edit:
S=-dF/dT with F=-kTln(Z)
I wrote ln(Z) in terms of nr
ln(Z)=α ∑<nr>-∑ln(<nr>)
But I don't get to the result
I get at the end
S= kα∑<nr>-k∑ln(<nr>)+kα∑(1-<nr>)

Thanks
 
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I suggest moving this to the advanced physics forum.
 
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