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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the total change in entropy of a system involving a metal piece and liquid baths during a cooling and heating process. The problem is situated within the context of thermodynamics, specifically focusing on entropy changes associated with heat transfer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are examining the entropy change using the formula Delta S = Delta Q / T. There are differing interpretations of the signs associated with heat transfer, leading to questions about the correctness of the provided answer options.

Discussion Status

Some participants are questioning the validity of the original problem statement and the answer choices. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with some suggesting that the signs in the entropy calculations may have been misapplied. Multiple interpretations of the entropy change are being discussed, particularly regarding whether the total entropy decreases.

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Participants note potential errors in the problem setup and the answers provided, indicating uncertainty about the assumptions made regarding heat transfer directions and their impact on entropy calculations.

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Homework Statement



A piece of metal of heat capacity 500 J/K assumed to be independent of temperature is at 500 K. The metal piece is cooled to 300K in two steps: it is first plunged into a liquid bath at 400 K. After cooling it is plunged into a colder liquid bath at 300 K. The metal piece is then heated to 500 K in two steps: it is plunged into a liquid bath at 400 K first and then into a liquid bath at 500 K. During the cooling-heating process, the metal piece and the liquid baths gain or lose entropy. The total change in entropy of the system (the metal piece and the liquid baths) is
1. 1500 ln (5/3)J/K
2. Zero
3. –200 J/K
4. +200J/K

Homework Equations



Delta S = Delta Q / T

The Attempt at a Solution



Don't get one of the options provided.

Please help.
 
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Hi shally, welcome to PF. I suspect there's an error in the question or the answers. Did you get 66.7 J/K?
 
Thank you for your effort. My ans. was -66.7 J/K.

I used the formula Delta S = Delta Q/T

Delta S = 500 (-100/400 -100/300 + 100/400 +100/500) = -200/3 J/K = -66.7J/K
 
So the entropy of the entire system decreases? This would be quite unusual.
 
Hi Shally, I think you got the signs wrong and Mapes is correct. Because in the two first terms, the heat goes TO the baths and in the two last terms the heat goes FROM the baths to the metal, so the first 2 terms should be + and the two last should be -. I am also getting 66.7 J/K, since the total entropy change of the metal is zero and we only have the heat flows to/from the baths...
 

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