Epsilon-delta proof for function with polar coordinates

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around performing an epsilon-delta proof for a function given in polar coordinates. The function in question is f(x,y)=\frac{x^6 + y^8 + x^4y^5}{x^6 + y^8}, and the original poster has converted it to polar coordinates. The task involves proving the limit as the function approaches the origin.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of computing the limit at the origin and the implications of the epsilon-delta definition. There are inquiries about the correct approach to establish the relationship between delta and epsilon, as well as how to manipulate the function to satisfy the limit condition.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring the steps needed to complete the epsilon-delta proof. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need to find a suitable delta based on the computations, but no consensus has been reached on the specific expressions to use.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster's uncertainty with epsilon-delta proofs and a suggestion to consult additional resources or tutors for further assistance.

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Homework Statement


This is a subtask. I was given a function, and then asked to convert it to polar coordinates. So I did, and I also determined the limit. However they ask me to do an epsilon-delta proof.
The function is:
[tex]f(x,y)=\frac{x^6 + y^8 + x^4y^5}{x^6 + y^8}[/tex], which converted to polar coordinates should be: [tex]f(rcos\theta, rsin\theta) = 1 + \frac{(rcos\theta)^4 (rsin\theta)^5}{(rcos\theta)^6 + (rsin\theta)^8}[/tex].

Homework Equations


[tex]0 < r < \delta \to |f(rcos\theta,rsin\theta) - L| < \epsilon[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought that switching to polar coordinates and watch as r approaches zero would be enough? Is this just a straight-forward epsilon-delta proof? I could anyway need some help. I was never good at this.
 
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I assume you are supposed to compute the limit of [tex]f[/tex] at the origin?

It is a straightforward epsilon-delta proof, but since you don't give details about what you've done so far, it's not clear what more you need to write. The basic approach you describe (watch as [tex]r[/tex] approaches zero) is correct.
 
Ah, yes. I am to find the limit at the origin.

I don't know exactly where to begin. I mean, straight from the definition, I have to prove that:
[tex]0 < r < \delta \to |\frac{(rcos\theta)^4(rsin\theta)^5}{(rcos\theta)^6 + (rsin\theta)^8}| < \epsilon[/tex]. What next?
 
Well, you need to find a suitable [tex]\delta[/tex] which makes that implication true. If you didn't get that part, you should review how to do epsilon-delta proofs.

Now, what you need to do is make a fraction small. That usually means simultaneously making the numerator small and the denominator big (or at least not too small). Try to fill in a statement that looks like this:

Set [tex]\delta =[/tex](some expression involving [tex]\varepsilon[/tex]); then when [tex]0 < r < \delta[/tex], we have [tex]|(r \cos\theta)^4 (r \sin\theta)^5| < N[/tex] and [tex]|(r \cos\theta)^6 + (r\sin\theta)^8| > D[/tex] where [tex]N[/tex] and [tex]D[/tex] are expressions chosen so that [tex]N/D < \varepsilon[/tex]. The setting for [tex]\delta[/tex] is actually the last thing you figure out.
 
So, can I choose delta to be what ever I would like?
 
No; the correct choice of [tex]\delta[/tex] is something that emerges at the end from your computations.

You should probably consult a tutor or a more comprehensive guide to writing epsilon-delta limit proofs.
 

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