Equation for the frequency of light from an accelerating charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the frequency of light emitted by an accelerating electron, exploring the complexities of electromagnetic radiation from charged particles under acceleration. Participants examine theoretical implications, measurement possibilities, and the relationship between acceleration and radiation, touching on concepts from classical electrodynamics and general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the frequency of light emitted by an electron accelerating at 10 m/s².
  • Another participant asserts that there is no single frequency emitted by an accelerating charge, indicating that the relevant equations are complex and not suitable for basic understanding.
  • A participant questions whether it is possible to measure the emitted waves from an accelerating electron, referencing practical examples like old television sets with electron guns.
  • One response confirms that while measuring the electromagnetic field of an accelerating charge is possible, the resulting frequency spectrum is likely continuous and broad, rather than a single frequency.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the implications of the equivalence principle for an electron in an accelerating rocket compared to one on Earth, suggesting a potential relationship between charge and acceleration.
  • Another participant explains that the equivalence principle applies locally and that the electromagnetic field of a charge extends throughout space, complicating its application in this context.
  • There is a clarification that the Earth does not emit radiation due to lack of acceleration, although it does emit a small amount of radiation due to its rotation.
  • A participant references an old thread that discusses the paradox of radiation from a charge under constant acceleration, stating that such a charge does not radiate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of radiation from accelerating charges, with some asserting the absence of a single frequency and others exploring the implications of acceleration on radiation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific frequency emitted by an accelerating electron.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the equations governing electromagnetic radiation from accelerating charges and the limitations of applying the equivalence principle in this context. There are references to unresolved mathematical steps and the need for further exploration in related threads.

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Say I have a electron in space, its accelerating along say the x-axis at 10 meters per sec^2, what frequency of light does it emit?
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There is no such equation. It's not a single frequency. The equations that do exist, which are complicated, really cannot be explained at the B level.
 
Really?
Can't they measure this? Say take a vacuum tube and shoot electrons one at a time down it and measure the waves given off? A old tv with an electron gun has accelerating electrons, does it emit waves?
 
Of course you can measure the electromagnetic field of an accelerating charge. I doubt it's simple to do because you want to ignore whatever powerful field is accelerating the charge, but it could be done.

However, taking a look at the equations for the electric and magnetic fields of an accelerating charge (see equation 32 in this PDF) and the diagram of the electric field and Poynting vector (diagram at top of p6 in the above) I suspect that the frequency spectrum is continuous, broad, and time-varying. So I'd be surprised if there's "a frequency", so much as a time-and-distance dependent power spectrum.

Why do you want to know?
 
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I was reading about the equivalence principal and was curious how it handles a electron in the accelerating rocket vs one on the earth...seems the one in the rocket should radiate a frequency, just wondering what frequency the Earth one would give off. I THOUGHT it would be some kind of simple linear relationship between the charge and the acceleration q and a say, but apparently its a bit more complicated.
 
That's complicated. The short answer is that the equivalence principle only applies locally (the formal statement is that second derivatives of the metric can be made to vanish at one event, and are negligible in a small volume around it). However, the electromagnetic field of a charge fills all of space (in principle), so we don't necessarily expect the equivalence principle to apply here.

I have to admit that the formal discussion around this went over my head the last time it came up. A search of the relativity forum may well turn up the thread if you want to see.
 
ealbers said:
Can't they measure this?

I never said they couldn't. I said that there is not a single frequency and that the expression is complicated - too complicated for B-level.
 
ealbers said:
just wondering what frequency the Earth one would give off

It gives off no radiation, as it is not accelerated. (Well; actually it emits a very small amount of radiation with a frequency of 1/24 h because the Earth is spinning)
 
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