Escape Velocity, with varying acceleration as a(y)

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The discussion focuses on determining the minimum initial velocity required for a projectile to escape Earth's gravitational pull without falling back. The acceleration due to gravity is expressed as a function of position, leading to confusion about how to integrate to find velocity. Participants suggest using the chain rule and conservation of energy principles to derive the velocity as a function of position. After integrating, a formula for velocity is proposed, questioning the validity of setting the constant of integration to zero since velocity approaches zero as height approaches infinity. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding gravitational acceleration's dependency on position in solving the problem.
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Homework Statement


Find: The minimum initial velocity at which a projectile should be shot vertically from the surface of the Earth so that it does not fall back to Earth. Note: This requires that v=0 as y approaches infinity.

Homework Equations


a = -g[(R^2)/((R+y)^2)]
g = 9.81 m/s^2
R = 6356 km (6.356E6 m)

The Attempt at a Solution


My thought process is to substitute dv/dt for a and integrate to get to velocity, but it seems like I want to find velocity as a function of position? I am stuck, it is the acceleration as a function of position that is confusing me.
 
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Chris T. said:

Homework Statement


Find: The minimum initial velocity at which a projectile should be shot vertically from the surface of the Earth so that it does not fall back to Earth. Note: This requires that v=0 as y approaches infinity.

Homework Equations


a = -g[(R^2)/((R+y)^2)]
g = 9.81 m/s^2
R = 6356 km (6.356E6 m)

The Attempt at a Solution


My thought process is to substitute dv/dt for a and integrate to get to velocity, but it seems like I want to find velocity as a function of position? I am stuck, it is the acceleration as a function of position that is confusing me.
You can use the chain rule to write
$$a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dy}\frac{dy}{dt} = v \frac{dv}{dy}.$$
 
Chris T. said:

Homework Statement


Find: The minimum initial velocity at which a projectile should be shot vertically from the surface of the Earth so that it does not fall back to Earth. Note: This requires that v=0 as y approaches infinity.

Homework Equations


a = -g[(R^2)/((R+y)^2)]
g = 9.81 m/s^2
R = 6356 km (6.356E6 m)

The Attempt at a Solution


My thought process is to substitute dv/dt for a and integrate to get to velocity, but it seems like I want to find velocity as a function of position? I am stuck, it is the acceleration as a function of position that is confusing me.

Using conservation of energy is the easiest way to approach this if you know how that works.
 
vela said:
You can use the chain rule to write
$$a = \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dy}\frac{dy}{dt} = v \frac{dv}{dy}.$$
So using the substitution a = vdv/dy and the given equation for acceleration, then separating variables, I should be able to integrate both sides and solve for velocity with respect to y. Let me try that.
 
Dick said:
Using conservation of energy is the easiest way to approach this if you know how that works.
After integration, I find v^2 = 2g(R^2)/(R+y) + C. Is it valid to say that C is zero because v is zero as y goes to infinity?
 
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