Example of onto function R->R^2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding an example of an "onto" function from the real numbers ℝ to the two-dimensional real plane ℝ². Participants explore various approaches and clarify the requirements for such a function.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that any combination of vectors along the x-axis cannot cover the entire xy-plane and proposes a function f(x) = |t|x for any t ∈ ℝ, questioning if there are more elegant examples.
  • Another participant introduces a parameterization approach, defining two functions x and y from ℝ to ℝ, and proposes a function z: ℝ → ℝ² as a vector of these two functions.
  • A third participant challenges the first suggestion by emphasizing the need for a unique output for each input in a function, proposing a method to split the decimal expansion of x into two parts to create a surjective function f(x) = (a(x), b(x)).
  • A later reply acknowledges the clarification provided by the third participant regarding the definition of a surjective function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the examples of onto functions, with no consensus reached on a single elegant example. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to define such a function.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the technical definition of surjectivity and the need for unique outputs for each input, indicating potential limitations in the initial proposals.

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What is an example of an "onto" function f: ℝ→ℝ2 ?

Any combination of vectors along the x-axis will not be able to leave the x-axis to cover the entire xy plane, so i was thinking of something like f(x) = \left|\stackrel{t}{x}\right| for any t\inℝ, but I was wondering if there are more elegant examples...
 
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See what I can do:

Let: ##t\in\mathbb{R}##
... then I can define two functions ##x,y \in \mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}\; : \; x=f(t), y=g(t)##
... then I can make ##z:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow\mathbb{R}^2\; : \; \vec{z}=(x,y)##

... we would say that f(t) and g(t) is a parameterization of z(x,y).
 
@Aziza, what do you mean by "any t \in \mathbb{R}". If your f is a function, then for a given input x, you need to specify a unique output f(x). E.g. f(1) can only be one point in the plane, you can't have f(1) = (1, 0), and also f(1) = (1,1), and also f(1) = (1, -\pi), and so on.

Since I can't tell whether this is a homework question or not, I'll give you something between a hint and a full answer: for a given x \in \mathbb{R}, split the decimal expansion of x into two parts and create new real numbers out of each of those two parts (we can call these two numbers a(x) and b(x)). Then if you've done things right, the function f:\mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2 defined by f(x) = (a(x), b(x)) will be surjective.

@Simon, Aziza has asked for a surjective function \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2. You've given a function \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2, but nothing about it makes it onto. Note that onto is a technical term, another word for it is surjective. A function f: A \to B is surjective iff \forall b \in B, \exists a \in A : f(a) = b.
 
@AKG: understood, thanks.
 

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