Exercise combining Wave and Hydrostatic: Pulley and Submerged Ball

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a vibrating string with a submerged sphere, where the frequency changes from 392 Hz to 343 Hz upon submersion. The key equations relate wave tension, density, and buoyancy, leading to a calculated density of 4267 kg/m³ for the sphere. A participant questions the assumption that the wavelength remains constant despite the frequency change, emphasizing the need for a node at both the wall and the pulley. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying wave mechanics principles and re-evaluating mathematical steps. Ultimately, the problem illustrates the complexities of combining wave and hydrostatic forces in physics.
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Homework Statement


One end of a horizontal string is attached to the wall, and the other end passes over a pulley. A sphere of an unknown material hangs on the end of the string. The string is vibrating with a frequency of 392 cycles per second. A container of water is raised under the sphere so that the sphere is completely submerged. In this configuration, the string vibrates with a frequency of 343 cycles per second.
What is the density of the sphere?

Homework Equations


v=\sqrt{T/\rho}
v=\lambda * f
W=\rho*V*g
F=W-B=\rho*V*g - \rho_{H20}V_{i}g (assuming W>B)

The Attempt at a Solution


Wave Perspective:
T_{1} = \rho * \lambda_{1}^{2} * f_{1}^{2}
T_{2} = \rho * \lambda_{2}^{2} * f_{2}^{2}
Mechanical Perspective:
T_{1} = W = \rho*Vg
T_{2} = W - B = \rho*Vg - \rho_{H20}V_{i}g
Thus:
T_{1} = W then, assuming displaced volume = volume of the sphere,
V_{i}g = \lambda_{1}^{2} * f_{1}^{2}
T_{2} = W - B = \rho*\lambda_{1}^{2} * f_{1}^{2} - \rho_{H20}*\lambda_{1}^{2} * f_{1}^{2}

Now, I have arrived to the answer in the solutions (it's the right answer, but negative, I can't explain that either), but I had to assume that \lambda_{1}=\lambda_{2}. Can someone explain me , if frequencies are different, why should I assume the wavelenght is the same before and after submerging the ball?

For those who want the answer:
4267 Kg m-3, which i obtained from T_{2}=T_{2} \Leftrightarrow \rho * \lambda^{2} * f_{2}^{2} = \rho\lambda^{2} * f_{1}^{2} - \rho_{H20}\lambda^{2} * f_{1}^{2}
thus \rho = (-\rho_{H20}*f_{1}^{2})/ (f_{2}^{2} - f_{1}^{2})
(The formula gives me a negative result though).
 
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Hello, ricmacas. Welcome to PF!

The equation for the speed of a wave on a string is ##v = \sqrt{T/\mu}## where ##\mu## is the mass per unit length of the string. So, you'll need to rethink the mathematical steps.

In order to see why the wavelength should be the same, keep in mind that the standing waves must have a node at the wall and a node at the pulley.
 
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