Explain your god.

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look serpo. your whole thing is flawed right from the:
My omnipotence is the all powerful control I have over myself.
Nobody has all poweful control of themselves. I do not have the power to stop my heart.I do not have the power to change my blood pressure. I do not have the ability to change my blood pH level. and no level of belief that i am in control and chanting ohms will ever change that.

To do anything of the sort. which your omnipotence claims. would be completely paranormal. If you can do it. which your omnipotence states you can. I suggest going to http://randi.org/" and apply to earn $1 million.

What you keep failing to do is understand what omnipotence means. If you simply mean the normal control of your body or some improved version. This does NOT stipulate omnipotence at all.

and if i get an answer which states that the more i believe the more power i get. This is simply a pyramid scheme. Which is simply fraudulant to begin with.

So either you screwed up in defining your belief of omnipotence. OR you do have powers which are paranormal. Which if you goto the Amazing Randi and can earn $1million. Prove that you can do these things.

But perhaps my well above average IQ isnt enough to understand your philosophy. Please define what exactly you mean by.
The more I accept this the more control I gain. The more control I gain, the more potent I become.
and potent meaning Power obviously. What powers exactly do you get by simply accepting.
 
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Wow... more ridicule. :( I myself cannot stop my own heart. I do not wish to. There are others who can do this and more. You should research into Nazi Germany total body control, and some Eastern religions... their monks are in control of much more than I have achieved yet. What keeps your heart beating? What makes your arm move? If you focus you can control these things. Yes you do have all powerful control over yourself and the future outcome of this Earth... if you wish to deny that then we will all fail and self destruct. You are the one failing to understand what omnipotence is... because you won't let yourself simply believe that it is true. Right now I am using my omnipotence towards other means. Unfortunately I live in the Western world, and I do not have time to meditate so deeply with others. Right now I am using my drive for musical purposes... I have to make lots of money so I can give to the poor and help stop war, discrimination, obsession of material possessions and starvation. No one in this world seems to care, and those that do seem to always be hated and outcast. The "in" crowd sure isn't doing a good job these days. By accepting that I am in control I am able to do anything and everything I am putting my mind to at this moment. I am accelling at the guitar at incredible rates. My intellect and my enlightenment are reaching new heights. My love and my compassion are stronger than ever. Becase I simply allow it to be. I am 100% honest now. In honesty we find truth. When we lie we become insecure which causes a mental block and leads us down devious roads. I am omnipotent because I choose to be. You have my name... and I expect you to see me on T.V. someday doing something great for the benefit of mankind. If that will not be proof enough, then I don't know what I can do to change this Hell. Anything you can think about, you can know and achieve if you emphasize yourself. Why should anything that is in reach of your imagination and thoughts not be in reach of reality? When in fact you are thinking about them while in reality. If the world accepts change, then the world will change. Until then I will be ridiculed and you will fight for and over your Gods. Your omnipotence is your potential. Which is up to you to do with it what you will.
 
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It seems to me that a truly wise person can communicate a message in the fewest of words and be understood by all who hear their thoughts. What ever the "intellectual capacity".

A wise person is NOT insulting or defensive or even aggressive.

They love and are loved without coercion.

If there are more like you, then why don't you find a forum where you can communicate with ease with like kind.

You might find therein no resistance and much compatibility as I am obviously too unenlightened to appreciate what you are trying to say and I would so enjoy the original post.
 
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I'm sorry that none of you understand what I speak of... you give me thumbs down and you ridicule me. What is it that truly brings you to peace, joy and ultimate confidence. You must make yourself. You must take control, not be controlled. There are no websites that I am currently aware of. There is a website that I post on from time to time which somewhat suits my needs. Wizanda.com ... I have a myspace profile that you can visit and get to know me there if you'd like, understand the phenomena and understand that I am a real person ... breathing living and having friends. I interact with real human beings like yourself everyday and have no problem... they love me and they understand me.. because they deal with me in person and see my love, compassion and hieghtened awareness. Anyway... thank you for letting me share my God... although it went nothing like I expected it to go from what the thread first stated it would be like. Love you all. Peace, joy and mass enlightenment to the world!

Peace and love in the light of truth,
David.

There is no room for negativity in life when time is all that we have. It should be used wisely. Do you see how you can maximize the efficiency and experience of your existence? If not, ponder those things. Maybe you will reach truths and self enlightenment. All I can do is try and help.
 
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munky99999 said:
I must say though. This post is not underhanded at all. It is nothing at all like this. It simply follows that if your beliefs are rational and have a reason(evidence/proof) to believe the way you do. Then your beliefs cant be rediculed. But if your beliefs are such that they are completely without rational thought and without any reason. Then you should be rediculed.
When a Jehova's Witness knocks on my door, why do I always slam the door in their face? (metaphorically speaking, of course). Because I am not looking to be converted. Nor am I open to anything they have to say. What makes their conversion tactic any different from yours? (I'm talking about the tactic only, not the substance of what you're trying to sell). I think most people naturally come to a crossroads at some time in their life when the are much more receptive to differing opinions. (take myself for instance, which is a reason why I looked for explanations here, at a forum full of intelligent, scientific minds). Where I differ from some people is I was raised in the faith, yet never believed. I didn't believe in God because I thaught I was smarter than them. In fact, I had no more evidence either way. All I had was a feeling. I have to get going...but to sum up, for now, even if your message is right, your timing might not be. Let people ask for your opinion first, you'll probably get better results.
 
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Serpo
i think im done argueing with you. you have failed completely at the factual definition of omnipotence. or you simply are avoiding the question.

What keeps your heart beating? What makes your arm move? If you focus you can control these things. Yes you do have all powerful control over yourself and the future outcome of this Earth... if you wish to deny that then we will all fail and self destruct.
thats what you dont understand. ok sure you have pretty wide control over your arm. But there are features that you simply CANNOT do EVER. Which omnipotence states you can.

If you are truely omnipotent over your body. You would have the power to human combust and reform back.
So Serpo you must state clearly that you can/could do this. OR its simply not omnipotence. and i want an answer for this before anymore.


You are the one failing to understand what omnipotence is... because you won't let yourself simply believe that it is true.
I have given the definition and i completely understand what omnipotence is. So you must have a WRONG definition for the word. Or else the above thing can be done.

When a Jehova's Witness knocks on my door, why do I always slam the door in their face?
Hey not me. I was outside during the summer talking to my neighbour about life and stuff. Hes a funny guy. Hes been to jail and everything and he speaks about what its like in jail. About all the pranks hes done. Anyway jehovahs show up and they are like "hi. we are to enlighten you about life" well it ended up with me deconverting the old guy. and the woman left crying about half way through. About the point where i showed her about the rules she has to follow to be a good christian. I believe it was Mark 7:9-10 which has jesus saying to kill disobedient children in essence. which in relation is Exodus 21:15-17 and leviticus 20:9

Because I am not looking to be converted. Nor am I open to anything they have to say. What makes their conversion tactic any different from yours?
Well im semi-open-minded. I will listen to any evidence or proof which would stand up in science and rational/logic arguement. Not vague sayings which just claim to be true and be righteous without anything to back them up.

What makes their conversion tactic any different? well first of all. Let me point out. Im not here to convert anything. Im here to deconvert from illogical irrational beliefs. Virtually. the same arguement can be used for say ohhhh about everything in science. How is their conversion tactic any different from a psychologist? Well its not if you put it that way. So your saying that we should stop(or give no credence to) all suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, psychiatrists. They all take an illogical irrational problem and deconvert them from it. to leave a blank slate of logic and rational thought.

So your difference is. They want to give you their dogma. I want to give you logic. now logic is true. plenty of evidence for it obviously. while the jehovahs are selling the opposite.
 
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It's ok. I never intended to argue with you. Rather I came here to be understood and to share how you can maximize the experience of this existence by setting no limitations on yourself... that is the omnipotency that I speak of. I didn't come here intending for someone to spend all of their tme trying to prove me wrong... I know what I speak of is already right. I just wanted someone, if only just one person, to understand me... every change counts. Get motivation and enthusiasm from what I tell them... and perhaps change their life for the better. I'm not selling religion. I'm not selling books. I'm sharing a state of mind that has been reached through seeking what it was that I wished to discover and possess... which I am now achieving. As I said earlier... you are not informed well on this subject to begin with... you need to reasearch Eastern religions and some of the things that their Monks are capable of. Nazi Germany and their total body/mind control. I have no doubts anymore... with my own experiences and others as well... that almost anything can and will be done in time by only using the mind. You claim to be Christian... and believe in a God that is correct... a religion that says only Christians will make it to heaven... because you must accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your saviour... it's this ignorance that brings about world division and war... it is simply and obviously illogical to make such a conclusion when there are hundreds, if not thousands of other religions in the world that you fail to recognize. Again, for world peace to be achieved we must recognize WHAT our God is... It will be a common God... and I have given you the answers. There is no room for the ignorance and death that is brought about in fighting over the "who" of Gods and prophets. If it's logic and reasoning you seek... I'm right here.. don't be afraid to be my friend because I am different. :) How can someone (me) who seeks truth, peace and honesty... ever betray you? I can't even argue anymore.. it's a waste of time. Negativity is a waste of time. This life is ONE... there is not another. Maximize your efficiency. Life is not found in death. It is found here and now. We all have the potential to create heaven here on Earth... but we have been misinformed that this is only for an afterlife. If that is what you accept then you will never reach the potential and state of mind that is needed to create a peaceful world. You can create heaven in your mind at this very moment. It is not taboo. The idea was given to us, for us to sieze... not to push away into the idea of fairy tale and non-existence.
 
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Are you now, for what I count as twice, drawing comparison between your intent to pushing a unanimously rejected style of communicating your PERSONAL belief system in, at times rude and insulting ways to "Nazi Germany and their total body/mind control"????

Is there a mentor watching this thread?
Do we merit some assistance please?
 
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No... you misunderstand... Nazi Germany... is the time period when total body control was being experimented with... er... :-/ oh well.. have at me.. rip me up... I have not insulted anyone on this site. Nor will I ever intend to, and if I ever have, never again. Gosh.. rude and insulting can be thrown around so loosely now days, can't it? I love you Shosh... You're all getting me somewhat down.. that's not a good sign... I suppose I should stay away for a couple days. No one wants to look at my philosophies.. instead take my words out of context... and falsify my ambitions... bleh... oh well. :) Soon enough you'll have to accept what your God is and not who... even if it means waiting for world war and nuclear terrorism. It appears as if you'd rather have the moderator shut me up than have any discussion with me on the matter. Suit yourself.

Peace and love in the light of truth,
David.

What is insulting about it? One would have to take offence to it to notice an insultive nature. If that is the position that you are in, then you are in the wrong boat to begin with. I’ve stated my intentions and the conduct and context in which I am presenting them. This is not an insulting thread, I am sharing my thoughts and my research, how can that possibly be insulting to anyone when presented in such a kind manner? You are finding insult where it doesn’t exist because you are trying so hard to bring me down instead of just trying to understand and discuss what it is that I am trying to get across and present to you. You can control that as well. Or you can try and become my enemy? I just want to make some friends while we chat. Or is that such a rigid contribution to be asking for? It's not about first place, it's about truth and balance, which brings peace and understanding. Let's try and put that into practice. I can't be the only one doing it.

I am sensing too much hostility here. It's not good. Too many first place contestants and not enough team players... you know? We're all in this together... next time anyone here writes a post responding to someone(in any thread/category/forum), try saying something nice about them before you wrap it up. It helps... trust me. It not only helps you two get along and understand each other... it helps truth flow. If that other person doesn't want to deal with it... you don't have to stoop down to their level. Pick up your head and continue to spread some love and joy. I don't see much of that.... it COULD be everywhere. If we lead by example, people will notice, and this world will begin to change. All it takes is for us to start changing... we all know we want it. Who likes to be stressed out everyday? I don't.. Scratch someones back, give a friend a massage. Give a hug or a smile. There's nothing wrong with making other people feel good. Don't be scared to face yourself. When I say yoursef, I mean all of us. Afterall, we all effect each other and we all create the future. What kind of example are YOU(everyone who is reading this) setting? We are all examples for each other, not just for the children.

Today the future was created, what part did you play?
 
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munky, if it helps you believe anything I say... please don't ridicule me... I've seen others ridiculed for this, and they have lost all their credibility. I have made a UFO appear. There you have it. I'm sure the thread will be locked now. In any case, I've come clean with one of the so called "supernatural" phenomena that you speak of. I just call it natural. Shwew. And there is the "raison d'être"... I'm not sure how many others are competent of this, or if it's just a special gift for me. Who else would tell anyone? I have nothing to hide. Why should you believe me anyway? Telling the truth always gets me in trouble. Peace...
 
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WAIT WAIT WAIT. SERPO you completely avoided the question.


If you are truely omnipotent over your body. You would have the power to human combust and reform back.
So Serpo you must state clearly that you can/could do this. OR its simply not omnipotence. and i want an answer for this before anymore.
This is NOT an arguement. This is NOT redicule. IT IS a definition or more understanding of your beliefs. Please just answer the question.

and please stop the preaching about how your the way to righteousness and you are love and goodness and that boring crap. Every belief claims this. So cut the **** and answer this question. We can go on from there.
 
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Serpo said:
munky, if it helps you believe anything I say... please don't ridicule me... I've seen others ridiculed for this, and they have lost all their credibility. I have made a UFO appear. There you have it. I'm sure the thread will be locked now. In any case, I've come clean with one of the so called "supernatural" phenomena that you speak of. I just call it natural. Shwew. And there is the "raison d'être"... I'm not sure how many others are competent of this, or if it's just a special gift for me. Who else would tell anyone? I have nothing to hide. Why should you believe me anyway? Telling the truth always gets me in trouble. Peace...

Oh yes. Prophet Yahweh i believe it was. Lemme do a search.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=77086&highlight=prophet+yahweh"
Essentially his proof and what would have allowed him to win the $1million of http://randi.org/"
He clearly failed to. He was going to make a UFO appear and hover over Las Vegas. Im very very sure he didnt or else it would be more widely broadcasted news then the pope dieing.

So all in all. SErpo. you have been shown to be the fraud you are.
 
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munky99999 said:
Hey not me. I was outside during the summer talking to my neighbour about life and stuff. Hes a funny guy. Hes been to jail and everything and he speaks about what its like in jail. About all the pranks hes done. Anyway jehovahs show up and they are like "hi. we are to enlighten you about life" well it ended up with me deconverting the old guy. and the woman left crying about half way through. About the point where i showed her about the rules she has to follow to be a good christian. I believe it was Mark 7:9-10 which has jesus saying to kill disobedient children in essence. which in relation is Exodus 21:15-17 and leviticus 20:9
Good for you. They initiated the conversation, not you.

Well im semi-open-minded. I will listen to any evidence or proof which would stand up in science and rational/logic arguement. Not vague sayings which just claim to be true and be righteous without anything to back them up.
(we're talking religion here). I've had it crammed down my throat since birth, so I'm a little closed-minded since I've heard it all before.

What makes their conversion tactic any different? well first of all. Let me point out. Im not here to convert anything. Im here to deconvert from illogical irrational beliefs.
As long as you admit it. I am just saying it's a little underhanded.

Virtually. the same arguement can be used for say ohhhh about everything in science. How is their conversion tactic any different from a psychologist? Well its not if you put it that way. So your saying that we should stop(or give no credence to) all suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, psychiatrists. They all take an illogical irrational problem and deconvert them from it. to leave a blank slate of logic and rational thought.
What are you talking about? How do you skew what I said, (about your de-conversion tactic) to stopping suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, and psychiatry? I don't see your logic there.

So your difference is. They want to give you their dogma. I want to give you logic. now logic is true. plenty of evidence for it obviously. while the jehovahs are selling the opposite.
That's why I used Jehova's Witnesses as my example, they are initiating the conversation. Which, imo, is underhanded.

Just so you know, we're on the same team here. People get turned off by pushy salesman. It works both ways. That's all I'm saying. Take it or leave it.

I'll re-set your trap for you:

Hey everyone, post your beliefs about God. Just don't worry about why Monkey999999 want's to know.:wink:

I wish I had an extra pair of hands, so I could give this thread 4 thumbs down.
 
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What are you talking about? How do you skew what I said, (about your de-conversion tactic) to stopping suicide hotlines, 911 phone calls, and psychiatry? I don't see your logic there.
lets do suicide hotlines.

PErson X believes in roman catholicism.
Person X talks with the jehovahs.
Person X is deconverted from roman catholicism
Person X is converted to jehovah.

Person Y believes life isnt worth living
Person Y calls&talks with suicide hotline
Person Y is Deconverted from the suicide thing.
Person Y is converted to liking life.

All the jehovahs and the suicide hotlines are doing is taking what they believe to be Incorrect beliefs. deconverting and then converting to what they want them to believe.

So in essence the thing is all the same. As for who initiated what? It doesnt matter. The same thing happens either way. Some suicide people fail and are FORCED to goto fix it up. so essentially its the suicide hotline type thing that is initiating it. Or if the person calls in they are initiating.

same thing goes for the jehovahs. they are simply forcing you. or you can go on your own.

That's why I used Jehovah's Witnesses as my example, they are initiating the conversation. Which, imo, is underhanded.
Same thing can be said for most things that want to change you infact. you can even say Alcohols Anonymous is the same way. A very good portion of the people that are in there. will say "I dont have a drinking problem, but the judge forced me here."
The judge/AA is the one initiating it because they person with the drinking problem wont even admit to it. the problem.

So in essence its not who initiates it. Its the people who dont have a good reason to be that way.
 
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Serpo,
Thank you, You have posted the exact words I was thinking in your original post. Very nice definition of your own God, I understand entirely what you mean.
-Lou
 

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