# Exponent Question

1. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
Without using a calculator and without evaluating expressions, determine which is greater. 20^100 or 400^40

2. Relevant equations
None, however some exponent laws and possibly mental math are applicable.

3. The attempt at a solution
I don't know how to reach an answer without some type of evaluation; which goes against the question.

2. Sep 9, 2015

### Staff: Mentor

You should at least put forth some guesses. Hint -- what can you say about how many zeros will be in each answer?

3. Sep 9, 2015

### Bystander

Write 400 in terms of 20.

4. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

I don't know if i am right, but would there be 3 0's in 20^100 and around 4 0's in 400^40?

5. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

What do you mean?

6. Sep 9, 2015

### Staff: Mentor

No. Please review how exponents work.

10^2 = 10*10 = 100

10^3 = 10*10*10 = 1000

...and so on...

7. Sep 9, 2015

### Bystander

Can you relate "400" to "20" or "20" to "400?" Are there some simple operations you can perform on either number to get the other?

8. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

well 20 x 20 = 400 or 400/20 = 20

9. Sep 9, 2015

### Bystander

Give you any ideas?

10. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

Does that mean that since 20^2 = 400 the 400^40 has to be greater than 20^100. Since 400^2 alone is approximately greater than 20^2.

11. Sep 9, 2015

### Ray Vickson

No, it does not mean that; it is not even true.

12. Sep 9, 2015

### Bystander

You're playing with the right ideas, but do what Berkeman has recommended regarding laws of exponents; N(k x j) = (Nk)j .

13. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

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then what do you propose the answer is and how would you get to it?

14. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

P

15. Sep 9, 2015

### Bystander

I'll nudge you in the direction you need to go, but you have to do the work.
Take what you did earlier,
pick some values for N, j, k and put them into the general statement I gave you for one of the laws of exponents.

16. Sep 9, 2015

### pandamonium786

So would 400^40 be greater because
So that means that 20^100 is actually greater because 20^ 20x20 is bigger than 400^ 20x2.

17. Sep 9, 2015

### Bystander

Quick tutorial on a couple PF features: the Green bar above the reply box will allow you to insert subscripts, x32n2, or superscripts (exponents), x2 or 20100.
Try redoing what you just did and use this feature --- it might help you visualize just what is "base," (the 20 or the 400) and what is exponent (superscript).

18. Sep 9, 2015

### Ray Vickson

PF Rules forbid me from telling you the answer. We can give hints only. You have been given plenty of helpful hints already.

19. Sep 9, 2015

### Staff: Mentor

I don't believe that you are prohibited from doing every calculation - I think that you don't want you to directly calculate 20400 and 40040. I'm reasonably sure that you are permitted to do some calculations.

20. Sep 9, 2015

### Staff: Mentor

Thread closed temporarily to discuss the rules with the OP...