Exponential and logarithmic Equation Problems

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The discussion focuses on solving exponential and logarithmic equations without calculators. Participants evaluate expressions like log2(16√8) and solve equations such as 3(x+4)−5(3x)=684 and 7(42x)=28(4x). The approach involves using logarithmic properties and algebraic manipulation, with some users expressing uncertainty about their methods. Solutions are eventually found, confirming values for x in the equations. The importance of checking answers by substituting back into the original equations is emphasized.
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Homework Statement



Evaluate each of the following expressions without using a calculator.

1) log216√8Solve for the unknown value in each of the following equations without using a calculator.

2) 3(x+4)−5(3x)=684

3) 7(42x)=28(4x)

Homework Equations



Exponent law for multiplication

The Attempt at a Solution



1)

log2(16)√8
=log232√2
=log2321/2

Im not really sure what to do at this point or if my approach is just completely wrong

2)

3(x+4)−5(3x)=684
=(3x)(34)-5(3x)=684
Let a = 3x
(a)(34)-5a=684

Once again I am not sure if my approach is completely wrong or I am just at a loss on what to do afterward.

3)

7(42x)=28(4x)
7(4x)2=28(4x)
Let a=4x
7a2=28a
a2=28a/7
a2=4a

Im not sure what to do after this
 
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##\log_2 ((16)\sqrt{8})## or ##\sqrt{8}\times \log_2 ((16))## ?
 
Buffu said:
##\log_2 ((16)\sqrt{8})## or ##\sqrt{8}\times \log_2 ((16))## ?

The former

I edited the OP to make it a little clearer
 
onemic said:
The former

I edited the OP to make it a little clearer

Use ##\log_a(bc) = \log_a(b) + \log_a(c)##, ##16 = 2^4## and same for ##\sqrt{8}##.

For the other two you need to take log on both sides.
 
so the first one would be:

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4) + \log_2(2\sqrt{2})##

and I am not really sure what to do with the square root

For the other two questions, is what I have so far correct and I need to take the log on both sides from the point where I am at or is the whole thing wrong?
 
onemic said:
so the first one would be:

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4) + \log_2(2\sqrt{2})##

and I am not really sure what to do with the square root

For the other two questions, is what I have so far correct and I need to take the log on both sides from the point where I am at or is the whole thing wrong?

No you are not getting it. You should try to use ##\log_a(b^c) =c\log_ab##. Now if ##a =b## then ##c\log_a(a) = ?##

onemic said:
For the other two questions, is what I have so far correct and I need to take the log on both sides from the point where I am at or is the whole thing wrong?

What you did is correct, now you need to solve for 'a' then take log to 'x'.
 
onemic said:
so the first one would be:

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4) + \log_2(2\sqrt{2})##

Write ##\sqrt{8}## in form of 2a, power of 2 .
 
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onemic said:
2)

3(x+4)−5(3x)=684
=(3x)(34)-5(3x)=684
Let a = 3x
(a)(34)-5a=684

Once again I am not sure if my approach is completely wrong or I am just at a loss on what to do afterward.
How much is 34?

onemic said:
3)

7(42x)=28(4x)
7(4x)2=28(4x)
Let a=4x
7a2=28a
a2=28a/7
a2=4a

Im not sure what to do after this
Rewrite the equation in form a2-4a =0, and factor out a. Remember, a product is zero if any of the factors is zero. What solutions do you get for a? Are both valid?
 
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Sorry for the super late reply. I decided to continue on with other questions and the next unit before coming back to this.
1)

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^3)^{0.5}##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^{1.5})##
##\log_2(2^{5.5})##
##5.5\log_2(2)##
##=5.5##

2)

wow I don't know why this question shook me. The answer was in my face the entire time haha.
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##81a-5a=684##
##76a=684##
##a=684/76##
##a=9##
##3^x=9##
##x=2##

3)
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##a^2=4a##
##4^{2x}=(4)4^x##
##4^{2x}=4^{x+1}##
##2x=x+1##
##2x-x=1##
##x=1##

EDIT: thanks for the heads up on the typo
 
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onemic said:
Sorry for the super late reply. I decided to continue on with other questions and the next unit before coming back to this.
1)

##\log_2(16) + \log_2(\sqrt{8})##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^3)^\color{red}{0.5}##
##\log_2(2^4)(2^{1.5})##
##\log_2(2^{5.5})##
##5.5\log_2(2)##
##=5.5##

2)

wow I don't know why this question shook me. The answer was in my face the entire time haha.
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##81a-5a=684##
##76a=684##
##a=684/76##
##a=9##
##3^x=9##
##x=2##

3)
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##a^2=4a##
##4^{2x}=(4)4^x##
##4^{2x}=4^{x+1}##
##2x=x+1##
##2x-x=1##
##x=1##

I guess it is correct except one typo.
 
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onemic said:
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##81a-5a=684##
##76a=684##
##a=684/76##
##a=9##
##3^x=9##
##x=2##
It's a good habit to get into to check your answer by substituting your value of x in the original equation.
onemic said:
3)
(starting from where I left off in the OP)
##a^2=4a##
##4^{2x}=(4)4^x##
##4^{2x}=4^{x+1}##
##2x=x+1##
##2x-x=1##
##x=1##
You started off in the direction that @ehild suggested, but then went off in a different direction. Following the direction she suggested you would have this:
##4^{2x} - 4\cdot4^x = 0##
##4^x(4^x - 4) = 0##
Are you sure there aren't solutions other than x = 1, which is the one you showed?
 
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Mark44 said:
It's a good habit to get into to check your answer by substituting your value of x in the original equation.

You started off in the direction that @ehild suggested, but then went off in a different direction. Following the direction she suggested you would have this:
##4^{2x} - 4\cdot4^x = 0##
##4^x(4^x - 4) = 0##
Are you sure there aren't solutions other than x = 1, which is the one you showed?
doing it that way I get:

##a^2-4a=0##
##a(a-4)=0##
##a=4## or ##a=0##

##a=4##
##4^x=4##
##x=1##

##a=0##
##4^x=0##
*no solutions*

therefore the correct answer is ##x=1##
 
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onemic said:
doing it that way I get:

##a^2-4a=0##
##a(a-4)=0##
##a=4## or ##a=0##

##a=4##
##4^x=4##
##x=1##

##a=0##
##4^x=0##
*no solutions*

therefore the correct answer is ##x=1##
Looks good!
 
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