Expression for current through loop as a function of time

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The problem involves an N-turn circular coil placed in a time-varying magnetic field, described by B=B0sin(ωt). The task is to find an expression for the current through the coil as a function of time, considering the coil's resistance and the changing magnetic field.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the magnetic flux and induced electromotive force (ε) using relevant equations, but expresses confusion about incorporating time-varying values into their calculations. Some participants clarify that the current can indeed be a function of time.
  • One participant raises the point that the net magnetic field through the coil includes both the external magnetic field and the self-induced field due to the current, suggesting a more complex relationship than initially considered.
  • Another participant hints at the need to include self-induction in the calculations, indicating that the phase of the current may not align with the external magnetic field due to Lenz's law.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the complexities of the problem, particularly regarding self-induction and the effects of resistance. The original poster acknowledges the need to reconsider their approach based on the feedback received.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's answer was marked incorrect, prompting a reevaluation of their calculations. There is an indication that the problem may involve assumptions about the transient response of the circuit that need to be addressed.

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Homework Statement



An N-turn circular coil of radius r with a total resistance of R is placed such that the normal to its plane is parallel to the +z axis. A uniform magnetic field varies with time according to B=B0sin(\omegat) where the amplitude B0 and angular frequency ω are constants. Find an expression for the current in the loop as a function of time.

Homework Equations



1. \PhiB=\intBcosA
2. ε=d/dt \PhiB
3. ε=iR

The Attempt at a Solution


I took the integral of the magnetic field to find flux (used equation 1 from above). I multiplied by N to account for the N number of loops. Then I took the derivative of the magnetic flux (used equation 2) to determine ε. After, I just plugged in ε into the 3rd equation and solved for current... But it doesn't really make sense to plus in a value that varies with time into an equation that deals only with constant values.

I think I missed something important here, so any help would be appreciated. I've also included an attachment of the question and the answer I got using the steps I outlined above.

Thanks!
 

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Your work appears to be correct. It's important to note that there's nothing saying the current or potential generated is a constant value; they can be functions of time, just as the B-field is.
 
If the net field piercing the coil is B0sin(wt) then what you did is OK. But if B is an external B field = B0sin(wt) then you need to realize that the net B field thru the coil is the sum of the external B field and the self-induced B field due to the current in the coil.

With the latter assumption the current does not track the external field as -N dø/dt / R with ø = AB0sin(wt) but builds up over time with a time constant = L/R where L and R are the inductance and resistance resp. of the coil.

Things get even dizzier if you also want to consider the effect of the induced B on the external B field. This is the problem of mutual inductance on which e.g. transformers are based.

EDIT: I should add that even in the steady-state the effects of self-induction must be considered. The phase of current will not be in quadrature (90 deg. phase shift) to the external B field and there is also attenuation compared to ignoring the self-induced field since the induced field 'fights' the external field via Lenz's law.

But in all the above if R is large (R/L >> 1/w) then the effects of self-induction can be ignored, since then the induced current will be small and so will the self-induced B field.
 
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My answer was marked wrong, so I think I'll have to go back and take self-induction into account. Thanks to the both of you for your fast responses - I appreciate it a lot!
 
kez said:
My answer was marked wrong, so I think I'll have to go back and take self-induction into account. Thanks to the both of you for your fast responses - I appreciate it a lot!

Well, you're the one in ten who doesn't abandon the thread after their original post!
Hint for you: Instead of just Ri = -N d(phi)/dt, add a term L di/dt.

You can probably ignore the transient part of the answer (assume the B field was present a long time).
 

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