Extremizing multivariable functions

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The discussion revolves around finding extreme values for the function f(x, y, z) = x + y + z, subject to the constraint x^4 + y^4 + z^4 = c, where c > 0. The original poster excludes the origin from consideration due to the constraint.

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  • Participants explore the use of Lagrange multipliers and gradient methods to find extrema under the given constraint. There are attempts to derive relationships between the variables and the parameter λ, with some questioning the implications of the results obtained.

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Several participants have contributed different perspectives on the problem, with some suggesting alternative methods for approaching the solution. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between the variables, but no consensus has been reached regarding the final outcomes or solutions.

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Participants note the constraint c > 0 and the exclusion of the origin, which influences the nature of the solutions being discussed. There are also references to different interpretations of the results, particularly concerning the signs of the variables involved.

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Homework Statement


Find extreme values for
[tex]f(x, y, z)=x+y+z[/tex]
subject to:
[tex]x^4+y^4+z^4=c>0[/tex]

Therefore, since c>0, exclude the origin.

Let [tex]L(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x+y+z+\lambda{(}x^4+y^4+z^4-c)[/tex]
and thus
[tex]L_1(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4x^3\lambda[/tex]
[tex]L_2(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4y^3\lambda[/tex]
[tex]L_3(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4z^3\lambda[/tex]
[tex]L_4(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x^4+y^4+z^4-c[/tex]
with solutions
[tex]x=y=z=(-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3}[/tex]
and
[tex]0=((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c=3((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c[/tex]
[tex]c=-1/(4c^{3/4})[/tex]
and since c>0, the question has no solutions.
 
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(-1)^(4/3)=(+1).
 
sandy.bridge said:

Homework Statement


Find extreme values for
[tex]f(x, y, z)=x+y+z[/tex]
subject to:
[tex]x^4+y^4+z^4=c>0[/tex]

Therefore, since c>0, exclude the origin.

Let [tex]L(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x+y+z+\lambda{(}x^4+y^4+z^4-c)[/tex]
and thus
[tex]L_1(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4x^3\lambda[/tex]
[tex]L_2(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4y^3\lambda[/tex]
[tex]L_3(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=1+4z^3\lambda[/tex]
[tex]L_4(x, y, z, \lambda{)}=x^4+y^4+z^4-c[/tex]
with solutions
[tex]x=y=z=(-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3}[/tex]
and
[tex]0=((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4+((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c=3((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4-c[/tex]
[tex]c=-1/(4c^{3/4})[/tex]
and since c>0, the question has no solutions.

The equation [itex]3((-1/4\lambda{)}^{1/3})^4 = c[/itex] can certainly be solved for [itex]\lambda[/itex] as a function of [itex]c.[/itex] Then plug that solution into your formulas for x, y and z.

RGV
 
I prefer a little different way of thinking about it. To find maximum or minimum of f(x,y,z) subject to the constraint [itex]g(x,y,z)= constant[/itex], find (x,y,z) where the gradients are parallel: [itex]\nabla f= \lambda\nabla g[/itex]. For this problem that gives
[itex]1= 4\lambda x^3[/itex], [itex]1= 4\lambda y^3[/itex], [itex]1= 4\lambda z^3[/itex]
(These are equivalent to your [itex]L_1= 1+ 4\lambda x^2= 0[/itex], etc. although you did not write the "= 0".)

Now, eliminate [itex]\lambda[/itex] by dividing one equation by another. That gives [itex]1= (x/y)^3[/itex] and [itex]1= (x/z)^3[/itex] which give x= y= z. Put that into [itex]x^4+ y^4+ z^4= c[/itex].
 
Thanks for the responses guys.
[tex](x, y, z)=(\frac{c^{1/4}}{3^{1/4}}, \frac{c^{1/4}}{3^{1/4}}, \frac{c^{1/4}}{3^{1/4}})[/tex]
 
I'd just like to say that when I do it following the original path, I get
[tex](x, y, z)=(-c^{1/4}/3^{1/4}, -c^{1/4}/3^{1/4}, -c^{1/4}/3^{1/4})[/tex]
 
Since
[tex]x=y=z[/tex]
and
[tex]0=1+4x^3\lambda[/tex]
then
[tex]3(-1/(4\lambda{)})^{4/3}=c[/tex]
hence
[tex]\lambda{=}1/4(3/c)^{3/4}[/tex]
We know that
[tex]0=1+4x^3\lambda[/tex]
so
[tex]0=1+4x^3(1/4(3/c)^{3/4})[/tex]
and
[tex]x=-c^{1/4}/3^{1/4}[/tex]
however, this does not really follow the method HallsofIvy suggested..
 

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