Factoring a 3rd degree poly to get a start on partial fractions

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The discussion revolves around the factorization of a third-degree polynomial in the context of preparing for partial fraction decomposition, particularly in relation to electrical engineering problems. Participants explore methods for factoring polynomials and the application of the rational root theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a polynomial expression and seeks guidance on direct methods for factorization.
  • Another participant mentions the rational root theorem, suggesting that possible rational roots for the cubic polynomial can be determined and tested.
  • A participant points out that the expression can be recognized as a "difference of two squares," indicating a standard algebraic technique for factorization.
  • A later reply expresses uncertainty about basic mathematical concepts, indicating a gap in foundational knowledge that affects understanding of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a single method for factorization, as multiple approaches are suggested, and some express uncertainty about foundational concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants indicate a lack of familiarity with basic algebraic techniques, which may limit their ability to engage fully with the discussion on polynomial factorization.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and professionals in engineering or mathematics who are working on polynomial factorization and partial fractions, particularly those reviewing foundational concepts.

Nikarasu M
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Hello all,

I'm working through old exams for an electrical subject (no solutions given) and I think I've gone wrong somewhere and been left with something I'd like to learn how to work with anyway:

[itex]\frac{50}{(s+\frac{1}{s}+1)^2-s^2}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{50}{2s+3+\frac{2}{s}+\frac{1}{s^2}}\times \frac{s^2}{s^2}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{50s^2}{2s^3+3s^2+2s+1}[/itex]

[itex]\frac{50s^2}{(s+1)(2s^2+s+1)}[/itex]​

From the last step I can do partial fractions and inverse Laplace etc...

But I got that factorisation via matlab, I can see it obviously works, and given a guess at a factor of the denominator of the 2nd to last line I can see that '+1' would be involved so a next guess might be '(s+1)' and then I'd see if I get zero remainder with polynomial long division, and I'd win in this case, but it was just a lucky guess.

Ok, time for the question: what is the direct method for doing this ?

I left the earlier working up the case we could hijack the math earlier in the process.

:-p
 
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There is a formula for solutions to the cubic polynomial but nobody uses it in practice. Instead they use the fact that if there is a rational root to [itex]ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d[/itex] where a,b,c,d are all integers, then the root has to be of the form +/-m/n where m and n are integers, coprime, and m divides d, and n divides a (this is called the rational root theorem)

For your cubic, the only possible rational roots are 1,-1, 1/2 and -1/2 from this. So you can just try them all and see that -1 is a root and factor out an s+1
 
Nikarasu M said:
Ok, time for the question: what is the direct method for doing this ?

The thing to have seen was that this is just the standard "difference of two squares"
(a2 - b2) = (a - b)(a + b)

Remember now? :smile:
 
epenguin said:
The thing to have seen was that this is just the standard "difference of two squares"
(a2 - b2) = (a - b)(a + b)

Remember now? :smile:

wha?

I've missed a lot of basic stuff at university (sort of jumped ahead via some credit I perhaps shouldn't have got) and school was a long time ago so a lot of these rules of thumbs and tricks go way over my head...

Although here I am doing a masters in engineering - you might say 'lol' - if you were that way inclined :-p
 

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