Factoring a 3rd order polynomial

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The discussion focuses on factoring a fourth-order polynomial, specifically the equation (jw)^{4}+7(jw)^{3}+59(jw)^2+98(jw)+630=0. Participants explore methods to rewrite the polynomial similarly to a previous example, aiming for a desirable outcome of identical factors. One suggested approach involves dividing the polynomial by (14 - w^2) after rearranging terms. A correction is noted regarding the inclusion of a factor of 7 in one of the expressions. The conversation also touches on selecting values for controller design using Ziegler-Nichols methods based on the roots of the polynomial.
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Factoring a 4th order polynomial

Homework Statement



Example:
(jw)^{3}+6(jw)^{2}+5jw+30=0 can be re-written into 6(5-w^{2})+jw(5-w^{2}). The fact that there are two identical (5-w^{2}) is a desirable outcome. Imaginary number j=\sqrt{-1} becomes -1 when raised to the power of 2.

Homework Equations



The problem is to transform (jw)^{4}+7(jw)^{3}+59(jw)^2+98(jw)+630=0 in a similar manner.

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I have been unsuccessful.

w^{4}-7jw^{3}-59w^{2}+98jw+630=0

(w^{4}-59w^{2})+7(-jw^{3}+14jw+90)=0
 
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rowardHoark said:

Homework Statement



Example:
(jw)^{3}+6(jw)^{2}+5jw+30=0 can be re-written into 6(5-w^{2})+jw(5-w^{2}). The fact that there are two identical (5-w^{2}) is a disirable outcome. Imaginary number j=\sqrt{-1} becomes -1 when raised to the power of 2.

Homework Equations



The problem is to transform (jw)^{4}+7(jw)^{3}+59(jw)^2+98(jw)+630=0 in a similar manner.

The Attempt at a Solution



So far I have been unsuccessful.

w^{4}-7jw^{3}-59w^{2}+98jw+630=0

(w^{4}-59w^{2})+7(-jw^{3}+14jw+90)=0

Try

(w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) + jw(14 - w^2)

Then divide (w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) by (14 - w^2)
 


CEL said:
Try

(w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) + jw(14 - w^2)

Then divide (w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) by (14 - w^2)

Thank you, CEL.

The answer is -(14-w^{2})(w^{2}-45)+7jw(14-w^{2})=0

If designing a controller using Ziegler-Nichols second method, would I pick \omega=\sqrt{14} or \omega=\sqrt{45} as my value to calculare P_{cr}=\frac{2\Pi}{\omega}?
 


CEL said:
Try

(w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) + jw(14 - w^2)

Then divide (w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) by (14 - w^2)

There's one tiny error here:

(w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) + jw(14 - w^2)

should be:

(w^4 - 59 w^2 + 630) + 7jw(14 - w^2)

A good systematic method for problems like this is shown in the attachment.
 

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