Faster Polynomial Multiplication

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The discussion revolves around polynomial multiplication, specifically focusing on the multiplication of binomials and trinomials involving variables such as m, x, y, and z. Participants are exploring different methods to simplify and correctly expand these polynomials.

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  • The original poster attempts to use the difference of squares formula and other algebraic identities to simplify polynomial expressions but encounters inconsistencies in their results. Some participants suggest using a lattice method for clarity, while others point out specific errors in applying algebraic identities.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing feedback on errors and suggesting alternative approaches. There is a focus on clarifying the application of algebraic identities, and some guidance has been offered regarding the correct use of the difference of squares formula.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of algebraic identities, particularly in the context of polynomial multiplication. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their results, which has prompted further exploration of the problem by other participants.

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I can solve:

(2x+3y-4z)(2x-3y+4z) = [2x +(3y-4z)] [2x -(3y-4z)] = (2x)^2 -(3y-4z)^2 = (2x)^2 - (9y^2 - 24yz - 16z) = 4x^2 - 9y^2 + 24yz + 16z which is fine, but if I try to solve:

(m^2-m-1)(m^2+m-1) = [m^2 -(m+1)][m^2+(m-1) = (m^2)^ 2 - (m-1)^2 = (m^2)^2 - (m^2 -2m +1) = m^4 - m^2 +2m -1 which is not, and I also tried doing:

[(m^2 - m)-1] [(m^2+m)-1] = (m^4 - m^2) + 1 = this latest one is near, but anyway it should be m^4-3m^2 + 1

Doing normal multiplication I get: m^4 +m^3 -m^2 -m^3 -m^2+ m-m^2-m+ 1 = m^4-3m^2 + 1

So why is it that I have -m^2 when is it really -3m^2?

Thanks
 
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Since you have factors which are sums of powers of m, use a lattice system to help keep like terms easily found.
 
You are using the equality: (x + y)(x - y) = x2 - y2, right?

Kys91 said:
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(m^2-m-1)(m^2+m-1) = [m^2 -(m+1)][m^2+(m-1) = (m^2)^ 2 - (m-1)^2 = (m^2)^2 - (m^2 -2m +1) = m^4 - m^2 +2m -1 which is not, and I also tried doing:

Notice the bolded part, that's where you went wrong. Since m + 1 does not equal m - 1, so you cannot apply the equality here. Remember that:

(x + y)(x - y) = x2 - y2

[(m^2 - m)-1] [(m^2+m)-1] = (m^4 - m^2) + 1 = this latest one is near, but anyway it should be m^4-3m^2 + 1

This is totally wrong, since m2 - m is not the same as m2 + m.

And you are having 2 minus signs here (the red part). It should be one plus, and one minus instead. Please stick to the formula! It's NOT: (x - y)(x - y) = x2 + y2! This is nowhere near correct!

Instead, what we should use here is:

(x + y)(x - y) = x2 - y2

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So, back to your problem:

(m2 - m - 1)(m2 + m - 1)

Notice the 2 terms -m, and +m, they are of different signs. Let's see if you can find any way to apply the equality (x + y)(x - y) = x2 - y2 here. :)
 
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Kys91 said:
I can solve:

(2x+3y-4z)(2x-3y+4z) = [2x +(3y-4z)] [2x -(3y-4z)] = (2x)^2 -(3y-4z)^2 = (2x)^2 - (9y^2 - 24yz - 16z) = 4x^2 - 9y^2 + 24yz + 16z which is fine, but if I try to solve:

(m^2-m-1)(m^2+m-1) = [m^2 -(m+1)][m^2+(m-1) = (m^2)^ 2 - (m-1)^2 = (m^2)^2 - (m^2 -2m +1) = m^4 - m^2 +2m -1 which is not, and I also tried doing:

[(m^2 - m)-1] [(m^2+m)-1] = (m^4 - m^2) + 1 = this latest one is near, but anyway it should be m^4-3m^2 + 1

Doing normal multiplication I get: m^4 +m^3 -m^2 -m^3 -m^2+ m-m^2-m+ 1 = m^4-3m^2 + 1

So why is it that I have -m^2 when is it really -3m^2?

Thanks
Because you did it wrong, of course!:wink:
You have [itex][(m^2- m)-1][(m^2+m)-1][/itex] and did the first part as a "sum and difference product": [itex](m^2- m)(m^2+ m)= (m^2)^2- m^2= m^4- m^2[/itex] which is correct. And, of course, (1)(1)= 1. But you forgot the "middle terms" (the "O" and "I" of "FOIL").
[tex][(m^2- m)- 1][(m^2+m)- 1]= (m^2- m)(m^2+m)+ (m^2-m)(-1)+ (-1)(m^2+m)+(-1)(-1)[/tex]
[tex]= (m^4- m^2)- (m^2- m)- (m^2+ m)+ 1= m^4- 3m^2+ 1[/tex]
(The "m" and "-m" terms cancel.)
 
Alright guys, thanks. :smile: Studying yourself + this forum is a lethal formula for learning about a lot of things.
 

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