Field and Potential of 3 charges conceptual problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the electric field and potential created by a configuration of three charges: one positive charge (+2q) and two negative charges (-q). Participants are tasked with calculating the electric field E and electric potential P at points along the positive y-axis, while also exploring the relationship between the electric field and potential.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the electric field and potential, questioning the relationship between the y-component of the electric field and the potential gradient. They explore the contributions of each charge and consider the need for integration.
  • Another participant suggests starting with the potential, noting its scalar nature, and deriving the electric field from it using partial derivatives.
  • Further discussion includes the expression for potential and its derivation, with participants questioning the correctness of their calculations and the application of calculus rules.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of potential as a simpler starting point, and there is an acknowledgment of the need to apply calculus correctly. Multiple interpretations and methods are being considered without a clear consensus yet.

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One positive (+2q) and two negative (-q) charges are arranged as displayed in figure 1. Calculate electric field E and electric potential P at points along the poitive y-axis as functions of their coordinate y. What is the direction of E at those points? In your results, does y-component Ey of the field satisfy Ey = -dP/dy? Is it supposed to satisfy?

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Coulomb's Law
E = ke*q/r[tex]^{2}[/tex]

First of all, the x-component of the field at any point along the y-axis is zero, since -q(-) and -q(+) cancel out one another, and 2q provides no field in the x-direction.

I know the field at any point will be equal to the field from 2q (positive y) minus the two y-components from the other two particles (negative y). The contribution from the positive particle is simple.

Ey(+) = ke(2q/y[tex]^{2}[/tex])

The other contributions require a little trigonometry, which I'm hoping I've done correctly..

Assuming r is equal to the distance from -q to y (hypotenuse), r[tex]^{2}[/tex] = y[tex]^{2}[/tex] + a[tex]^{2}[/tex]. Therefor E(-) = Ke(-2q/y[tex]^{2}[/tex]+a[tex]^{2}[/tex]).

Now I have to break this down to find the y-component for E(-) which (I think) is just :

Ey(-) = sin[tex]\alpha[/tex]*E(-)

Since the ultimate goal here is to define two functions, should I define sin[tex]\alpha[/tex] in terms of y for integration purposes? Could I say sin[tex]\alpha[/tex]= y/r = y/(y[tex]^{2}[/tex]+a[tex]^{2}[/tex])[tex]^{1/2}[/tex]? Oof, things are getting rusty...

My gut says I will have to integrate the equations for Ey(+) and Ey(-), and the difference between them will be my function for the field. I haven't really started at the potential equation yet... figured I would check to see if I'm headed the right direction first. Any advice?
 
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It's much easier the other way around. Obtain an expression for the potential, which is simpler to work with being a scalar.

You can then obtain the electric field with a gradient operator (in other words Ex=-dV/dx Ey=-dV/dy, etc. (partial derivatives)).
 
Potential = Ke (q/r), but r = [tex]\sqrt{[/tex]y[tex]^{2}[/tex]+a[tex]^{2}[/tex] for the two negative charges.

So will the total P be Ke(2q/y) + Ke(-2q/[tex]\sqrt{[/tex]y[tex]^{2}[/tex]+a[tex]^{2}[/tex])?

When I derive this I get something like Ke(dq/y[tex]^{2}[/tex]) -Ke(dq/2(y[tex]^{2}[/tex]+a[tex]^{2}[/tex])[tex]^{3/2}[/tex])

I see! This is the same as Ey with substituted sin like I was asking. The only issue I see is when I derived I got a 2 in the denominator...
 
Don't forget the chain rule... :wink:
 
hahah... I can't help it, my mind refuses to retain calculus methods.
 

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