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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the filling of a tank with a liquid that contains an insoluble, inert gas. Participants explore mass balance approaches for both the gas and liquid phases, focusing on the relationships between pressure, volume, and flow rates in an isothermal context.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the necessity and method of performing a gas phase mass balance, questioning its relevance to the problem.
  • Another participant suggests that a mass balance on the gas is unnecessary and proposes using the ideal gas law to relate pressure and liquid volume.
  • A different participant raises concerns about the feasibility of performing a mass balance on the liquid, speculating about potential errors in the problem statement.
  • Further contributions clarify the relationships between the volumes of gas and liquid, and derive equations for pressure and flow rates based on the ideal gas law.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the necessity of performing a mass balance on the gas or the liquid. There are competing views on the approach to solving the problem, particularly regarding the relevance of certain calculations and the potential for errors in the problem statement.

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Some participants indicate that the problem is isothermal, which may influence the assumptions made in their calculations. There are also mentions of missing portions of calculations that could affect the understanding of the problem.

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The attempt at the solution has been attached, I'm up to part C on this though, so I haven't attempted d or f. I'll get to those as soon as part c is clear as well as A and B.

I don't understand how doing a gas phase mass balance will help, and I'm not even sure how to perform a mass balance on the gas, but I did attempt it.

I'm not sure if I'm doing in the right direction with this problem
 

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Seems like the bottom of your page of calculations got cut off.
 
Woopydalan,

Your assessment is right. There is no reason to do a mass balance on the gas. You are asked to find the pressure in the tank as a function of the liquid volume. Let V be the liquid volume. Then the volume of the gas is V0-V. You can then use the ideal gas law to express the pressure in the gas as a function of the liquid volume. You can also use this equation to find the final liquid volume.

For the last part, since you don't know the proportionality constant between the liquid flow rate and the pressure difference, just call it k:

[tex]\frac{dV}{dt}=k(p_{in}-p)[/tex]

Substitute your equation for p in terms of V into this relationship.
 
How does this look?

Also, here is my attempt at part d and e. Part E says to perform a mass balance on the liquid, is that even possible?

Suppose this was a test question, since I never did the mass balances I would look a lot of credit I assume, but maybe my professor made a typo or doesn't know that you can't mass balance it??
 

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Since this is an isothermal problem, let's lose the nRT. So, if V = V(t) is the volume of liquid in the tank at time t, the volume of gas in the tank at time t is V0-V. From the ideal gas law:
[tex]P(V_0-V)=P_0V_0=P_{in}(V_0-V_f)[/tex]
where Vf is the final volume of liquid in the tank. From the above equation, you get:
[tex]V_f=V_0\left(1-\frac{P_0}{P_{in}}\right)[/tex]
and
[tex]P=\frac{P_0V_0}{(V_0-V)}[/tex]
Since
[tex]\frac{dV}{dt}=k(P_{in}-P)[/tex]
we can substitute for P and obtain:
[tex]\frac{dV}{dt}=k\left(P_{in}-\frac{P_0V_0}{(V_0-V)}\right)[/tex]

I believe this is the relationship they were looking for for part e. Some of these results are equivalent to what you already obtained in your attachments. I just wanted to demonstrate an easier way of getting the results.

Chet
 
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