Find a complex number from differential equations.

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The discussion revolves around finding a complex number \(\lambda\) such that \(e^{\lambda t}\) solves the differential equation \(\frac{d^{2}y}{dt^{2}} + 4\frac{dy}{dt} + 5y = 0\). Participants are tasked with expressing the solution in a specific form involving exponential and trigonometric functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the characteristic equation \(\lambda^2 + 4\lambda + 5 = 0\) and the resulting complex roots. There are attempts to express the general solution using exponential functions and Euler's identity. Questions arise regarding the correct form of the solution and the values of constants involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and clarifying the use of trigonometric identities. Some guidance has been provided regarding the properties of sine and cosine functions, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the solution or the values of constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of expressing the solution in the required form and the potential confusion stemming from the phrasing of the problem. There are also mentions of adjustments made to constants to avoid clashes with required values.

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Homework Statement


Find complex number [tex]\lambda[/tex] such that e[tex]\lambda[/tex]t solves
[tex]\frac{d^{2}y}{dt^{2}}[/tex] + 4[tex]\frac{dy}{dt}[/tex] + 5y = 0

Express this solution in the form eat(cos(bt) + i sin(bt))

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So the first part is fine, using [tex]\lambda[/tex]2 + 4[tex]\lambda[/tex] + 5 = 0 to get values of [tex]\lambda[/tex] at -2[tex]\pm[/tex]i. From here, I've been taught to use:

y = Ae[tex]\lambda[/tex]1t + Be[tex]\lambda[/tex]2t but this time, it doesn't help get to the required form.

Using what I've mention, I can get to A=-2 but finding B seems to be a mystery. Any help greatly appreciated!
 
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Are you aware of Euler's identity?
[tex] e^{ix} = \cos x + i \sin x[/tex]
 
I am. Converting to (and from) polar form. My attempt went as far as:

y = [tex]Ce^{-2t+it} + De^{-2t-it}[/tex]
y = [tex]e^{-2t}(Ce^{it}+De^{-it}[/tex])

That's how I got to A=-2 but from here:

y =[tex]e^{-2t}[/tex] (C(cos(it) + i sin(it)) + D(cos(-it) + i sin(it)))

and from there, getting a value for the B in question is eluding me.
Note: I've changed the constants in the equation so they don't clash with the required values.
 
I think the problem is just asking you to express each of the solutions in the form given separately, before you get to the step of writing down with the general solution.
 
it was just the question was phrased:
"Find complex number [tex]\lambda[/tex] such that e[tex]\lambda[/tex]t is a solution to the equation (see above). Express this solution in the form (see above) and give the values of real numbers A and B"
Just that seemed like there was one :/
 
[tex] y = e^{-2t} (C(\cos(it) + i \sin(it)) + D(\cos(-it) + i \sin(-it)))[/tex]

Note the following:

[tex] \cos -x = \cos x[/tex]
[tex] \sin -x = - sin x[/tex]

So...

[tex] y = e^{-2t}[ (C+D) \cos (it) + (C -D) \sin(it)][/tex]

We can let C+D and C-D be constant by themselves, say K and M
[tex] y = e^{-2t}( K \cos (it) + M \sin(it))[/tex]
This is all just to make it pretty and for future problems. For this particular problem, all that you needed to know was that sine was odd and cosine even.
Thus, the b value is, of course, one.
 
i see! right, so maybe a quick sketch of sine and cosine graphs would have cleared this up for me! I'll remember that in future! Thanks a load for all the help!
 
tomeatworld said:
I am. Converting to (and from) polar form. My attempt went as far as:

y = [tex]Ce^{-2t+it} + De^{-2t-it}[/tex]
y = [tex]e^{-2t}(Ce^{it}+De^{-it}[/tex])

That's how I got to A=-2 but from here:

y =[tex]e^{-2t}[/tex] (C(cos(it) + i sin(it)) + D(cos(-it) + i sin(it)))
No! [itex]e^{it}= cos(t)+ i sin(t)[/itex], not [itex]e^{it}= cos(it)+ i sin(it)[/itex]

[tex]y= e^{-2t}(C e^{it}+ De^{-it})= e^{-2t}(Ccos(t)+ Ci sin(t)+ D cos(-t)+ Di sin(-t))[/tex]
Now, cos(-t)= cos(t) and sin(-t)= -sin(t) so this is
[tex]y= e^{-2t}(C cos(t)+ Ci sin(t)+ D cos(t)- Di sin(t))= e^{-2t}((C+D)cos(t)+ (C-D)i sin(t))[/tex]

and from there, getting a value for the B in question is eluding me.



Note: I've changed the constants in the equation so they don't clash with the required values.
 
Of course. Sorry, slip of the keyboard ;)
 

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