Find Extrema of f(x) = x^3+y^3+3x^2-18y^2+81y+5

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The discussion revolves around finding the extrema of the function f(x, y) = x^3 + y^3 + 3x^2 - 18y^2 + 81y + 5. Participants are exploring the necessary conditions for extrema, specifically the gradient set to zero.

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  • The original poster attempts to find critical points by solving the gradient equations, but questions which pairs of points should be considered for checking extrema. Other participants question the accuracy of the y-values derived from the equations.

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Participants are actively engaging in verifying the calculations and assumptions made regarding the critical points. There is a recognition of the need to check all potential points, and some guidance has been offered regarding the independence of the x and y solutions.

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There are indications of potential errors in the calculations of y-values, and participants are encouraged to verify their results through substitution or further checks. The nature of the problem allows for multiple critical points based on the independent equations for x and y.

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given this function

f(x) = x^3+y^3+3x^2-18y^2+81y+5

i should i find the extrema(i hope this is how it is called in english)

so we should have gradf = 0

hence
3x^2+6x = 0 and 3y^2-36y+81 = 0

here i get x = 0 or x = -2 and y = 54/9 or y = 2

now what i want to ask is, which points will i have to take in order to check of extrema?

it will be
P1 = (0,54/9) and P2 = (-2,2)?
P1 = (0,2) and P2 = (-2,54/9)?

which one is the correct?

Thanks in advance
 
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i don't think your y values are correct... try subtituting them back in
3y^2-36y+81 = 3(y^2 -12 +27) = 0

you will need to check all of the points, either by subtituting in or a 2nd derivative check
 
First, as lanedance said, your solution for y is incorrect (it is easy to see that y= 2 does not satify the equation: 3(4)- 36(2)+ 81= -72+ 93= 21, not 0).

Second, once you have correct solutions for x and y, since the two equations are completely separate, any value of x can be used with any value of y- there are four critical points.
 
thanks a lot for your help :)
 

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