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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a vertical tube with two pistons and an ideal gas. Participants clarify that the pressure of the gas remains constant during the quasi-static process, allowing for the use of the equation P = P0 + mg/ΔS. Concerns are raised about whether the pressure changes during expansion, but it is confirmed that it does not, as the system is in equilibrium. A hypothetical scenario of connecting the pistons with an ideal spring introduces a different dynamic to the problem. The final equation for the required temperature change is presented as ΔT = (ΔP + mg/ΔS)ΔSl.
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Homework Statement


A smooth vertical tube having two different sections is open from both ends equipped with two pistons of different areas figure. Each piston slides within a respective tube section. One mole of ideal gas is enclosed between the pistons tied with a nonstretchable thread. The cross-sectional area of the upper piston is ΔS greater than that of the lower one. The combined mass of the two pistons is equal to m. The outside air pressure is P0. By how many Kelvin’s must the gas between the pistons be heated to shift the pistons through l?


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Pressure of gas present inside = P0 + mg/ΔS

I have a doubt regarding the pressure of the gas. Will it remain the same throughout the expansion? If yes, why?
 
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You don't have to worry about the expansion process, it is sufficient to consider the situation in equilibrium - and there, your formula is valid independent of the expansion that happened.
 
mfb said:
You don't have to worry about the expansion process, it is sufficient to consider the situation in equilibrium - and there, your formula is valid independent of the expansion that happened.

What if the two pistons were connected by an ideal spring?
 
utkarshakash said:

Homework Statement


A smooth vertical tube having two different sections is open from both ends equipped with two pistons of different areas figure. Each piston slides within a respective tube section. One mole of ideal gas is enclosed between the pistons tied with a nonstretchable thread. The cross-sectional area of the upper piston is ΔS greater than that of the lower one. The combined mass of the two pistons is equal to m. The outside air pressure is P0. By how many Kelvin’s must the gas between the pistons be heated to shift the pistons through l?


Homework Equations


http://www.luiseduardo.com.br/mechanics/liquids/liquidsproblems_arquivos/image028.jpg


The Attempt at a Solution



Pressure of gas present inside = P0 + mg/ΔS
I have a doubt regarding the pressure of the gas. Will it remain the same throughout the expansion? If yes, why?
That seems like a reasonable concern to have.

What pressure is required for this system to remain at a given level ?
 
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SammyS said:
That seems like a reasonable concern to have.

What pressure is required for this system to remain at a given level ?

Since the process is quasi-static, the pressure inside must remain same at all times. Am I correct?
 
utkarshakash said:
Since the process is quasi-static, the pressure inside must remain same at all times. Am I correct?

I didn't notice the equation:
Pressure of gas present inside = P0 + mg/ΔS​
.

That pretty much says that the pressure is the same after pistons move.
 
utkarshakash said:
What if the two pistons were connected by an ideal spring?
Then you have a completely different problem.
 
The answer is

ΔT = \left( ΔP + \frac{mg}{ΔS} \right) ΔS l
 
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