Find the coefficient of friction

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The problem involves a box weighing 3.0 kN placed in the bed of a pick-up truck that accelerates uniformly. The box slides 1.0 m back while the truck accelerates from rest to 40 km/h over a distance of 40 m. The goal is to find the coefficient of friction between the bed and the box.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of acceleration using kinematic equations and the implications of the box sliding back. There are attempts to relate the forces acting on the box, including friction and weight, to find the coefficient of friction. Some participants question the assumptions made regarding the forces and the motion of the box.

Discussion Status

Several participants have shared their calculations and reasoning, with some suggesting different approaches to find the coefficient of friction. There is acknowledgment of incorrect answers and attempts to clarify the reasoning behind the calculations. The discussion includes varying interpretations of the problem setup and the forces involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the box's sliding distance and the acceleration of the truck are critical to understanding the forces at play. There is mention of the need to consider Newton's laws and the relationship between the forces acting on the box.

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Homework Statement



A box weighing 3.0 kN is placed in the bed of a pick-up truck. The pick-up accelerates uniformly from rest to 40 km/h in a distance of 40 m. In that time the box slides 1.0 m back toward the end of the bed. Find the coefficient of friction between the bed and the box.

Homework Equations



v^2 = v0^2 + 2a (x-x0)

F = ma

w = mg

Fk = micro k * N

The Attempt at a Solution



Given:
v0 = 0 km/h
v = 40 km/h
x-xo = Delta x = 40 m = 0.04 km
weight = 3 kN.

First, find a:

v^2 = v0^2 + 2 a (x-x0)
40^2 = 0 + 2 a * 0.04
=> a = 2*10^4 km/s^2.

My imagine that we have 3 forces in Free Body Diagrams: Friction Forces, Newton's law and weight of the box.

We have:

m*g = 3 kN => m = 3000/9.8 = 306.1 grams = 0.306 kg.

N = ma = 0.306 * (2*10^4) = 6120 kN

but the box slides 1.0 m back toward the end of the bed, so

(0.039km * 6120) / 0.04 = 5967 kN

Therefore:

coefficient of friction between the bed and the box is 5967 N / 6120 N = 0.975 = final answer => INCORRECT

Please help! Thanks!
 
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My answer is NOT correct. Please help! Anyone?
 
huybinhs said:

Homework Statement



A box weighing 3.0 kN is placed in the bed of a pick-up truck. The pick-up accelerates uniformly from rest to 40 km/h in a distance of 40 m. In that time the box slides 1.0 m back toward the end of the bed. Find the coefficient of friction between the bed and the box.

Homework Equations



v^2 = v0^2 + 2a (x-x0)

F = ma

w = mg

Fk = micro k * N

The Attempt at a Solution



Given:
v0 = 0 km/h
v = 40 km/h
x-xo = Delta x = 40 m = 0.04 km
weight = 3 kN.

First, find a:

v^2 = v0^2 + 2 a (x-x0)
40^2 = 0 + 2 a * 0.04
=> a = 2*10^4 km/s^2.

My imagine that we have 3 forces in Free Body Diagrams: Friction Forces, Newton's law and weight of the box.

We have:

m*g = 3 kN => m = 3000/9.8 = 306.1 grams = 0.306 kg.

N = ma = 0.306 * (2*10^4) = 6120 kN

but the box slides 1.0 m back toward the end of the bed, so

(0.039km * 6120) / 0.04 = 5967 kN

Therefore:

coefficient of friction between the bed and the box is 5967 N / 6120 N = 0.975 = final answer => INCORRECT

Please help! Thanks!

Im no expert, i worked it out and this is what i got: You deduced the first part right, so
a = 1.5m/s2, then the weight of the box = 3000N, so mg = 3000N, so the force of friction = uk(3000N). If you use Newtons third law the foward force = the reaction force, so it is constant motion. So, the force of friction = Fnet, uk(3000N)=ma, a = the above acceleration and m is obtained from the weight equation Fg=mg, m = 306Kg, plug it into above equation and u shud get uk = 0.15.

Hope this helps:)
 
E=mc^84 said:
Im no expert, i worked it out and this is what i got: You deduced the first part right, so
a = 1.5m/s2, then the weight of the box = 3000N, so mg = 3000N, so the force of friction = uk(3000N). If you use Newtons third law the foward force = the reaction force, so it is constant motion. So, the force of friction = Fnet, uk(3000N)=ma, a = the above acceleration and m is obtained from the weight equation Fg=mg, m = 306Kg, plug it into above equation and u shud get uk = 0.15.

Hope this helps:)

How about "In that time the box slides 1.0 m back toward the end of the bed" ?
 
huybinhs said:
How about "In that time the box slides 1.0 m back toward the end of the bed" ?
Its neglected since the same acceleration is needed to move the box 1.0m.
 
E=mc^84 said:
Its neglected since the same acceleration is needed to move the box 1.0m.

You mean the final answer is 0.15 ?
 
huybinhs said:
You mean the final answer is 0.15 ?

Yup, looks right:)
 

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