Find the Force of a Particle Attracted Toward Origin

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The discussion revolves around determining the force acting on a particle attracted toward the origin, with the force being proportional to the cube of the distance from the origin in the xy-plane.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the force and the distance from the origin, questioning how to express the force vector correctly. There are attempts to clarify the proportionality and direction of the force, with some suggesting different forms of the force equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various formulations of the force and questioning the correctness of each other's approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding the directionality of the force and its proportionality to distance, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is confusion regarding the correct expression for the force and its relationship to distance, with participants debating the implications of their assumptions about proportionality and direction.

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Homework Statement



A particle is attracted toward the origin by a force proportional to the cube of it's distance from the origin. (...)

What would be this Force equal to (in xy plane)?

The Attempt at a Solution



So distance is Sqrt[x^2+y^2]... and from here I don't know what to do...

F=( ? i , ? j)
 
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The force should also point in the direction of the origin. So consider F=k*(x*i,y*j). The magnitude of this force is directly proportional to distance from the origin. How would you change it to get the right proportionality (BTW - did you mean 'inversely' proportional to cube of the distance?).
 
F=k*(x^3*i,y^3*j), k<0 ?

Is this good then?

// I did not mean inversely.
 
Logik said:
F=k*(x^3*i,y^3*j), k<0 ?

Is this good then?

// I did not mean inversely.

That i) does not point towards the origin anymore and ii) is NOT proportional to distance cubed. It's proportional to sqrt(x^6+y^6). Distance cubed is sqrt(x^2+y^2)^3. Not at all the same thing. If (x,y) is already proportional to distance, why not just multiply it by distance squared?
 
Dick SAID you must F=k*(x*i,y*j). Here k is "proportional to the cube of it's distance from the origin". Yes, the "distance from the origin is [itex]\sqrt{x^2+ y^2}= (x^2+ y^2)^{1/2}[/itex]. What is the cube of that? And since the particle is "attracted", the vector must be directed toward the origin. (xi, yj) is directed away from the origin.
 
TO DICK.

F=(x*i, y*j)
DIV F = d/dx(x) + d/dy(y) = 2 which means it goes outward and not to the origin...

// EDIT

F=-(x^2 + y^2)^3/2 * (x*i, y*j)
 
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Logik said:
TO DICK.

F=(x*i, y*j)
DIV F = d/dx(x) + d/dy(y) = 2 which means it goes outward and not to the origin...

// EDIT

F=-(x^2 + y^2)^3/2 * (x*i, y*j)

You can point it in the right direction by putting a -k in front. But we're getting there. Your latest effort points in the right direction, but (x,y) is proportional to distance and (x^2+y^2)^(3/2) is proportional to distance cubed. So the product is proportional to distance to the fourth. You just need one minor adjustment.
 

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