Find the formula for refraction angle?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the formula for the refraction angle using Snell's Law and related geometric relationships. The original poster attempts to establish a correlation between angles and distances in a triangle formed by points related to the refraction scenario.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the geometric relationships involving angles of incidence and refraction, as well as how to relate these angles to height and radius using trigonometry. There are attempts to clarify the setup and the role of the normal line in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants are providing guidance by suggesting ways to extend lines and label points to clarify the relationships between angles and distances. There is an ongoing exploration of how to relate different angles to the variables involved, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of uncertainty regarding the setup of the normal line and the theoretical framework being applied. Participants are questioning their assumptions and the definitions they are using in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


Snell's Law
sin tetha1/v1 = sin tetha2/v2
n1 = c/v1
n1 . sin tetha 1 = n2 . sin tetha 2

The Attempt at a Solution


I try to make triangle out of line PO, so that it will have correlation to tetha, since o = center, then let's say there's point C at circle circumference. then POC is isosceles triangle.
PC^2 = PO^2 + CO^2 - 2PO.CO.cos tetha
PC^2 = 2R^2 - 2R^2 cos tetha
PC^2 = 2R^2 ( 1 - cos tetha)
n value for air = 1.00 ? but I cannot find the correlation tetha to n, and especially h...?
 
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Helly123 said:
but I cannot find the correlation tetha to n, and especially h...?
Extend the line OP. That gives you the normal to the surface. The angle of incidence can be related to h & r with a bit of trig.
 
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Doc Al said:
Extend the line OP. That gives you the normal to the surface. The angle of incidence can be related to h & r with a bit of trig.
i tried to extend OP but still don't find the correlation with r and h
 
Doc Al said:
Extend the line OP. That gives you the normal to the surface. The angle of incidence can be related to h & r with a bit of trig.
Give me more clue please?
 
Helly123 said:
Give me more clue please?
Adding some more labels...
Q is the point where the vertical marked h meets the horizontal through O.
S is thepoint at the top of the line marked h.
R is a point beyond P on the line through OP.
Can you relate angle POQ to h and r?
Can you relate angle POQ to angle RPS?
Can you relate angle RPS to φ?
 
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haruspex said:
Adding some more labels...
Q is the point where the vertical marked h meets the horizontal through O.
S is thepoint at the top of the line marked h.
R is a point beyond P on the line through OP.
Can you relate angle POQ to h and r?
Can you relate angle POQ to angle RPS?
Can you relate angle RPS to φ?

I tried before, is it right?
i'm not sure about the normal line I set, and theory I used
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Now you're cooking. Looks perfect!
 
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