Find the internal series resistance of the battery

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The discussion revolves around determining the internal series resistance of a battery connected to resistors of different values. The original poster presents a scenario where a battery is connected to a 4 ohm resistor and then to a 9 ohm resistor, noting that the heat released in both cases is the same.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the assumption that the currents through the two resistors are equal and discuss the implications of power delivery in relation to internal resistance. Some suggest considering the relationship between load resistance and internal resistance without providing specific methods.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between power, load resistance, and internal resistance. Some participants have offered hints and guidance on how to approach the problem mathematically, while others are clarifying misconceptions about the behavior of power in relation to resistance.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as presented, including the requirement that the heat released is the same for both resistor configurations. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the assumptions made regarding current and resistance.

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Homework Statement


A battery is connected with a resistor R1=4 om and then it is replaced with the resistance 9 om. In both cases the heat released in the same time is the same. Find the inner resistor of the battery.

Homework Equations


Q=UIt (U-tension; I-intensity, t-time)
I=e.m.f/R+r

The Attempt at a Solution


UI1*t=U*I2*t U and t are constant
I1=I2
emf/R1+r=efm/R2+r
But it results R1=R2
 
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Your assumption that the currents (I1 and I2) are equal is not correct.

The power delivered to the load is maximal when the load resistor is equal to the internal resistance, so without calculation one can say that it is between 4 ohm and 9 ohm.
 
PietKuip said:
Your assumption that the currents (I1 and I2) are equal is not correct.

The power delivered to the load is maximal when the load resistor is equal to the internal resistance, so without calculation one can say that it is between 4 ohm and 9 ohm.
Can you give me a hint to find it correctly? From which formula should I start?
 
If you sketch the graph of power vs resistance, you'll see it is symmetrical on both the sides of the peak power. Here, since the power is same, where do you think should the resistance be between 4 and 9?
 
If you want to go mathematically,
P=I2R will be helpful. Make proper substitution for I in terms of E and r.
 
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cnh1995 said:
If you sketch the graph of power vs resistance, you'll see it is symmetrical on both the sides of the peak power.
That is not correct: the power is zero at zero resistance (short circuit) and infinite resistance (open circuit).

@prishila: ok then, one more hint: the current is larger when the load resistance is 4 ohm than when it is 9 ohm.
 
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cnh1995 said:
If you want to go mathematically,
P=I2R will be helpful. Make proper substitution for I in terms of E and r.
r=6 ohm Thank you!
 
Yep, you're right! I was about to edit..That graph takes infinite time to get back to zero since R is in the denominator. Sorry PietKuip! I need to be careful when guessing the graph without actually plotting it.
 
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