Find emf and the inner resistor of the battery

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The discussion revolves around finding the electromotive force (emf) and the internal resistance of a battery when connected to two different resistors, R1 and R2, which produce currents I1 and I2, respectively. The problem is situated within the context of introductory physics, specifically dealing with circuit analysis and Ohm's law.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between current, resistance, and emf, attempting to set up equations based on the given currents and resistors. There are questions about the correct formulation of equations and the steps needed to isolate the unknowns.

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Several participants have engaged in rewriting the problem statement for clarity and have provided equations that relate the currents to the emf and internal resistance. There is an ongoing verification of the equations and calculations presented, with some participants expressing confidence in the correctness of their approaches.

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Participants are working under the constraints of typical homework guidelines, which may limit the extent of assistance provided. There is a focus on ensuring that the equations are correctly formatted and interpreted, with some emphasis on the proper application of Ohm's law.

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Homework Statement


When the resistor is R1, in the circle there is the intensity I1 and when the resistor is R2, the intensity becomes I2.Find emf and the inner resistance.[/B]

Homework Equations


I=emf/R+r

The Attempt at a Solution


I1=efm/R1+r
I2=efm/R2+r
efm is equal
I1*(R1+r)=I2(R2+r)
r=(I2R2-I1R1)/(I1-I2)
And how can I find emf?
 
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Can I rephrase the problem statement as :
With a resistor R1 connected to a battery, the current is I1.
With a resistor R2 connected to a battery, the current is I2.
Find emf and the internal resistance.
Your equation requires brackets: ## I_i = emf / (R_i + r_{internal})##

So you have two equations with two unknowns: ## emf## and ##r_{internal}##. Can you write them down and post ?

And: the mentor will move this thread to introductory physics homework.

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BvU said:
Can I rephrase the problem statement as :
With a resistor R1 connected to a battery, the current is I1.
With a resistor R2 connected to a battery, the current is I2.
Find emf and the internal resistance.
Your equation requires brackets: ## I_i = emf / (R_i + r_{internal})##

So you have two equations with two unknowns: ## emf## and ##r_{internal}##. Can you write them down and post ?

And: the mentor will move this thread to introductory physics homework.

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Here's what I did
efm=I1*(R1+r)=I2*(R2+r)
I1*(R1+r)=I2*(R2+r)
I1/I2=(R2+r)/(R1+r)
I1R1+I1r=R2I2+I2r
r(I1-I2)=R2I2-I1R1
r=(R2I2-I1R1)/(I1-I2)
I replaced R with what I found and it results
efm=I1I2(R2-R1)/(I1-I2)
Did I find efm and r correctly?
 
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prishila said:
efm=I1/(R1+r)=I2/(R2+r)
V=IR and not I/R.
 
cnh1995 said:
V=IR and not I/R.
You're right. i corrected it
 
prishila said:
I1/I2=(R2+r)/(R1+r)
I1R1+I1r=R2I2+I2r
r(I1-I2)=R2I2+I1R1
Check the 3rd equation.
 
cnh1995 said:
Check the 3rd equation.
Corrected
 
prishila said:
Here's what I did
efm=I1*(R1+r)=I2*(R2+r)
I1*(R1+r)=I2*(R2+r)
I1/I2=(R2+r)/(R1+r)
I1R1+I1r=R2I2+I2r
r(I1-I2)=R2I2-I1R1
r=(R2I2-I1R1)/(I1-I2)
I replaced R with what I found and it results
efm=I1I2(R2-R1)/(I1-I2)
Did I find efm and r correctly?
Looks correct!
 

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