Finding a frequency to create a given amplitude in a spring

[ViXXoR]

Homework Statement

Damping is negligible for a 0.155 kg object hanging from a light 6.30 N/m spring. A sinusoidal force with an amplitutde of 1.70 N drives the system. At what frequency will the force make the object vibrate with an amplitude of 0.440 m?
So:
m=0.155kg

k=6.30N/m

F=1.70N

A=0.440m

Homework Equations

So a given equation is:

A = \frac{\frac{F}{m}}{\sqrt{\beta^2 - \beta o^2 + (\frac{b\beta}{m})^2}}

Also:

\beta o = \sqrt{\frac{k}{m}} so \beta o = \sqrt{\frac{6.30}{0.155}} = 40.6452 rad/s

And:

f = \frac{\beta}{2\pi}

The Attempt at a Solution

Damping is negligible so (\frac{b\beta}{m})^2}} = 0
Rearranging the first equation for \beta:

\beta = \sqrt{\frac{(\frac{F}{m})^2}{A^2} + \beta o^2

Plug in all the values:

\beta = \sqrt{\frac{(\frac{1.70}{0.155})^2}{0.440^2} + 40.6452^2}<br /> <br /> = 47.6799 rad/s

Now using the formula for frequency:

f = \frac{\beta}{2\pi}<br /> <br /> = \frac{47.6799}{2\pi}<br /> <br /> = 7.5885 Hz


It seems my answer is wrong, and I cannot find out where I am going wrong. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

[learningphysics]

You made a mistake here:

\beta o = \sqrt{\frac{6.30}{0.155}} = 40.6452 rad/s

You forgot to take the square root.

 

[ViXXoR]

Wow...

Thank you for pointing that out.

Hmmmmm...turns out that when I take the square root, the answer is more wrong. I'm really stumped.

 

[learningphysics]

Wow...

Thank you for pointing that out.

Hmmmmm...turns out that when I take the square root, the answer is more wrong. I'm really stumped.

do you know the answer?

I get 4.095Hz. is that what you're getting?

 

[ViXXoR]

Yes, that's exactly what I am getting. It is still marked as wrong though.

 

[learningphysics]

Yes, that's exactly what I am getting. It is still marked as wrong though.

And they want the answer in Hz?

 

[ViXXoR]

Yes, they want the answer in Hz.

It seems they want 2 frequencies, a "Lower" one and a "Higher" one.

 

[learningphysics]

Ah... I think I see the problem now... the square root shouldn't be there:
A = \frac{\frac{F}{m}}{\beta^2 - \beta o^2}

 

[ViXXoR]

If I use that equation, how will I get 2 frequencies out of it? Also, the square root is in the equation in my textbook...

 

[learningphysics]

If I use that equation, how will I get 2 frequencies out of it? Also, the square root is in the equation in my textbook...

Are you sure?

The formula I'm seeing online is:

A = \frac{\frac{F}{m}}{\sqrt{(\beta^2 - \beta o^2)^2 + (\frac{b\beta}{m})^2}}

which isn't what you had... you didn't have the extra square inside... when there's no damping... the square root and square cancel each other.

Maybe the 2 values are the plus/minus square root...

So:

\beta = +/-\sqrt{\frac{(\frac{F}{m})}{A} + \beta o^2

\beta = +/- 8.0976 rad/s

Frequency = +/- 1.289Hz ?

 

[ViXXoR]

Awesome, you're right! One thing, can you have a negative frequency? Can I have my higher frequency at 1.289hz, and my lower one at -1.289Hz?

 

[CaptainKamel]

If High frequency is:

f_high = (\beta)/(2*pi)

In order to find the low frequency:

f_low = (\beta)/(4*pi)


I got mine right that way.